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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #510 on: August 05, 2018, 04:48:39 PM »

I seriously doubt they would not select Pope and not play him.

Also I'm sure India will be delighted to see another 20 year old from Surrey. Strong Surrey = Strong England

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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #511 on: August 05, 2018, 05:05:44 PM »


Smith comment ' Malan maybe best suited to overseas matches' has ended his test career straight away. He is mostly a back foot player hence doing well in Oz

It was a fairly damming assessment of Malan that his technique isn't up to scratch when it comes to playing in the conditions in the country that he has played his professional career in.  I am pleased to see that they have gone with a talented young lad playing with confidence rather than a 30 year old who isn't good enough and never will be.

It will be interesting to see whether Pope is given a debut.  If the pitch turns like it did last year at Lord's I can see England putting Ali into the middle order as a second spinner
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« Reply #512 on: August 05, 2018, 05:24:20 PM »

Indeed it was pretty damning. Smith is proving unafraid of changing normal selection.

As Clarke trained with the squad you would think he was next in line for the second test but Pope has come thru the lions and is in form and has div 1 runs....so it's not a huge surprise.

I think he will play and then England will deceide out of Woakes or Ali.

Malan is dropped so there has to be a direct replacement you would think.

Pope plays for me and prob 2 spinners. Without championship cricket now Leach in not able to get match practice.
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« Reply #513 on: August 05, 2018, 05:29:26 PM »

It is an interesting state of affairs that someone can be considered as a no.4 bat for England before they've ever batted that high for their county.

But I'm reluctant to say it's not the right call though because I said it was too soon for Sam and was gloriously proved wrong.

Gunn and Moore's decision to make Malan their poster boy always did look a bit premature.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #514 on: August 05, 2018, 05:55:01 PM »

Indeed it was pretty damning. Smith is proving unafraid of changing normal selection.

As Clarke trained with the squad you would think he was next in line for the second test but Pope has come thru the lions and is in form and has div 1 runs....so it's not a huge surprise.

I think he will play and then England will deceide out of Woakes or Ali.

Malan is dropped so there has to be a direct replacement you would think.

Pope plays for me and prob 2 spinners. Without championship cricket now Leach in not able to get match practice.

I expect the same Pope straight swop for Malan - otherwise why would you bring him into the squad. Then a shoot out depending on the pitch between Woakes and Ali to replace Stokes.

The only thing I would add is that the management may be worried about only playing 3 seamers in a 5 test condensed series, will/could mean a lot of overs in Jimmy and Broads legs.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #515 on: August 05, 2018, 06:23:55 PM »

If Malan has been jettisoned for his, I would suggest young Mr Jennings should consider himself fortunate- he seems to have escaped any criticism for his form.
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« Reply #516 on: August 05, 2018, 06:42:14 PM »

If Malan has been jettisoned for his, I would suggest young Mr Jennings should consider himself fortunate- he seems to have escaped any criticism for his form.

Poor Malan feel for the fella just when you thought It couldn’t get worse
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #517 on: August 05, 2018, 07:41:13 PM »

Tough call as the next match is his home ground. We havnt had many test matches this summer so far to make a real judgement thou? He played pretty well in Australia in the winter.

We could be moving back to a more ruthless selection system with players no longer having 'one too many rather than one to few' as Bayliss puts it

As referenced yes in mind games...back in the 90's loads got dropped recalled and dropped again .
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #518 on: August 05, 2018, 07:49:24 PM »

I personally would have given him one more test seems a bit harsh. Espically when there isn’t a proven replacement there to take his place.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #519 on: August 05, 2018, 08:02:27 PM »

I think the fact that Ed Smith referenced Malan's technique speaks volumes. He obviously didn't think that his style of less foot movement, hanging back etc... was ever going to work and score runs, however harsh that is.

Don't forget that Malan only averaged 15 over 3 knocks against Pakistan earlier this summer as well.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #520 on: August 05, 2018, 08:29:52 PM »

The fact that two other 20 year-olds have stepped up so well must have been a consideration.
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« Reply #521 on: August 05, 2018, 08:54:24 PM »

I think the fact that Ed Smith referenced Malan's technique speaks volumes. He obviously didn't think that his style of less foot movement, hanging back etc... was ever going to work and score runs, however harsh that is.

Don't forget that Malan only averaged 15 over 3 knocks against Pakistan earlier this summer as well.

Don’t forget he was the best batsman in Australia. But I do agree he was close to getting dropped just think everyone has a bad run of form
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #522 on: August 06, 2018, 08:28:53 AM »

If Malan has been jettisoned for his, I would suggest young Mr Jennings should consider himself fortunate- he seems to have escaped any criticism for his form.

He's an opener they always get a longer run
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #523 on: August 06, 2018, 08:34:44 AM »

Don’t forget he was the best batsman in Australia. But I do agree he was close to getting dropped just think everyone has a bad run of form

He was the best of a really bad bunch though, It wasn't like he averaged 80.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #524 on: August 06, 2018, 08:47:25 AM »

He was the best of a really bad bunch though, It wasn't like he averaged 80.

Fair point his average in test cricket is putrid as well
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