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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #525 on: August 06, 2018, 09:05:25 AM »
Indeed, I'm all for people being given a run but he has played 15 tests straight, they should be enough to give a decent indication.

The single biggest issue for me is only averaging 20 in Tests in England after 8 games. You can't have en England test batsman who can't buy a run at home.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #526 on: August 06, 2018, 09:14:51 AM »
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but I think James Vince is a much better batsman than Dawid Malan.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #527 on: August 06, 2018, 09:26:35 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 06, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but I think James Vince is a much better batsman than Dawid Malan.

By a distance. He'll probably get one more shot IMO, the question is if he can adjust his game to stop snicking off all the time.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #528 on: August 06, 2018, 09:27:56 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 06, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but I think James Vince is a much better batsman than Dawid Malan.

nope.....hugely frustrating batsman, and got a double ton just before he was dropped.

did he need more time?  it's a tough call for the selectors sometimes, we are criticise but so many batsmen and not quite there it makes it difficult.

Vince has got plenty of talent, did he have the grit and brains needed for tests?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #529 on: August 06, 2018, 09:30:44 AM »
It's a temperament thing isn't it?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #530 on: August 06, 2018, 09:39:50 AM »
Absolutely - Vince is a lovely batsman, but a walking wicket to any clever test bowler because he seems unable to adapt and learn.

Malan had a fair run and it just seems he wasn't up to snuff.

I'm excited about all these young lads being pushed through though - maybe in years to come, we will look back at smith as some kind of clairvoyant genius.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #531 on: August 06, 2018, 10:09:32 AM »
You have to think if something ever happened to Root, Vince would be the like for like player in the one day side to come in and maybe in the test side if he can transfer some of his white ball ability.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #532 on: August 06, 2018, 10:11:26 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 06, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but I think James Vince is a much better batsman than Dawid Malan.

He will probably get one more chance but if he keeps getting out the same way got to give up on him
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #533 on: August 06, 2018, 10:15:51 AM »
Quote from: alexevo94 on August 06, 2018, 10:11:26 AM
He will probably get one more chance but if he keeps getting out the same way got to give up on him

I'm a big fan of giving players an early look at test cricket, if they take to it, great, but if not it gives them the change to go away, make changes and come back a player hopefully better equipped to succeed at that level.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #534 on: August 06, 2018, 10:17:59 AM »
I tend to the opinion that they have been unduly harsh on Malan.  He's not made much so far this Summer, but had a really good winter and certainly demonstrated the temprament of a test player.  One more test, given it was at Lords, was the least he deserved.  Especially when Buttler got 0 and 5 and looked all at sea.

As to Pope.  The kid looks decent, I agree, and should certainly have expected a test career.  Whether now is too soon, and whether calling up a lad who has batted mostly at six for his county to bat four is really the right move, will have to be seen. 
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #535 on: August 06, 2018, 10:19:13 AM »
Quote from: Kulli on August 06, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
I'm a big fan of giving players an early look at test cricket, if they take to it, great, but if not it gives them the change to go away, make changes and come back a player hopefully better equipped to succeed at that level.

If I remember correctly root was dropped couple of years ago in Australia, now he’s the captain and averaging over 50
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #536 on: August 06, 2018, 10:20:32 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 06, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but I think James Vince is a much better batsman than Dawid Malan.

Natural talent, certainly.  Gumption, less so.

But Vince was a tad unlucky that he was the one dropped at the start of the summer, rather than Stoneman, likewise that he was never given the chance to bat a bit lower in tests where he would have been less susceptible to the moving ball.  I still think he will get another chance at some point.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #537 on: August 06, 2018, 10:29:25 AM »
I think if you combined Vince's batting talent and Malan's temperament and grit, you might be halfway to making a decent test batsman.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #538 on: August 06, 2018, 10:45:55 AM »
If we're into the realms of genetically splicing cricketers, I vote we combine 2005 vintage Steve Harmison with 2005 vintage Marcus Trescothick
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #539 on: August 06, 2018, 11:04:41 AM »
Quote from: Johnny on August 06, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
If we're into the realms of genetically splicing cricketers, I vote we combine 2005 vintage Steve Harmison with 2005 vintage Marcus Trescothick

Open the batting and the bowling under 15's style?
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