Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 171363 times)

Rob580 · « **Reply #825 on:** August 17, 2018, 02:22:20 PM »

Whilst I don't agree with dropping Curran at all (I would have dropped Rashid or Buttler) It's pretty tough to argue that the team isn't stronger with Stokes in for Curran.

After all Stokes is a far better player than Curran (at this point in time..)

I'll get my tin hat.

edge · « **Reply #826 on:** August 17, 2018, 03:42:02 PM »

How did anyone not see that coming..? A shame to drop Curran, but to get Stokes back in it was the hugely obvious choice.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #827 on:** August 17, 2018, 04:53:58 PM »

England made the correct call. It would've been a toss up between Woakes and Curran, Woakes got a hundred last game so keeps his place.

ppccopener · « **Reply #828 on:** August 17, 2018, 05:40:07 PM »

You could take the view if you were cynical butler and Rashid were Smiths picks so they were not going to be dropped.

Root def wanted stokes back so it's harsh but it has to be Curran.

Rashid has no had a chance yet to prove much, but does Butler need to make a contribution this match to keep hold of his place?

As has been pointed out specialist number 7 is a bit of an odd position....

I like butler a lot but if he plays long term I think he has to keep.

SD · « **Reply #829 on:** August 17, 2018, 06:03:06 PM »

Quote from: edge on August 17, 2018, 03:42:02 PM

How did anyone not see that coming..? A shame to drop Curran, but to get Stokes back in it was the hugely obvious choice.

Completely agree. The only surprise is that anyone is surprised by the decision. Stokes is one of the best players available to England. Ali, Woakes and Curran are fighting for one place and it is hard to argue against Woakes unless the surface required a second spinner

SD · « **Reply #830 on:** August 17, 2018, 06:07:30 PM »

I am not sure that Butler batting at 7 should effect the balance of the aide between batsmen and bowlers. We are lucky in Bairstow to have a keeper who is also a top batsman. In terms of the balance of the side, it is no different to picking 6 batsmen and the keeper at 7. With Stokes and Bairstow in the top order, it gives us the luxury of picking the extra batsman or bolwer whichever is needed most. Given the form of the top order, it is hard to argue for leaving out a batsman for another bowler

petehosk · « **Reply #831 on:** August 17, 2018, 06:23:11 PM »

It does seem harsh, but surely it would have seemed harsh no matter who was dropped for Stokes!
He is one of the best, if not THE best all rounder at the moment. So you have Jimmy and Stu as openers. Then you have Rashid as leggie and Root as Offie. Then Stokes as change bowler and only one more bowler needed!! Cook is not on top form and neither is Jennings so far. Pope is new too, so we don't have the luxury or having all our top order batsmen firing at the moment! So Buttler makes a stronger case in these circumstances than an extra bowler/all-rounder would!!
I do like Curren but suspect he will be in the Test team again very soon.

Mtown Don · « **Reply #832 on:** August 17, 2018, 06:48:24 PM »

Poor decision I think, Broad shouldn�t continue to be selected on the basis of the occasional spell when he gets it right

Manormanic · « **Reply #833 on:** August 17, 2018, 07:06:30 PM »

Dropped worries me - should it not read "rotated out"?

ppccopener · « **Reply #834 on:** August 17, 2018, 07:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 17, 2018, 07:06:30 PM

Dropped worries me - should it not read "rotated out"?

You can't rotate a 20 year old desperate to play and just starting his test career

I presume your tongue is firmly in cheek!

Just thinking about this selection again Chris Woakes has right cocked this up hasn't he? Who would of thought he would hit a big ton and mess up selection

'Oh he's got his ton Trevor we had it all planned for Trent bridge for Stokesy'. ' 'Ah bollax Joe are we sure Woaksey is 101 per cent fit , turn the bleep test up to terminator '

Seriously it's very tough on Curran. I'm a huge fan of Cook but the two openers need to make a contribution this game, they are probably kept in because

Cook has a massive amount of runs behind him so gets extra time
Jennings look to of improved a bit and has potential.....

And......you might struggle to name an outstanding top 3 player in County cricket to replace either of them at the moment.

There might be someone at Warwickshire, a bit older,but....if he keeps scoring runs

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #835 on:** August 18, 2018, 07:56:37 AM »

To me the shock is that Buttler keeps his place.

Is a lower order of Stokes, Woakes, Curran, Rash a weaker line-up than Stokes, Buttler, Curran/Woakes, Rash?

I love watching Buttler bat but this is red ball not white ball! Buttler is class in white ball, bang average so far in red.

Johnny · « **Reply #836 on:** August 18, 2018, 08:52:30 AM »

Short memory if you're calling Buttler bang average... He was our best batter v Pakistan and marshalled the tail well.

He is still a luxury though, and for me that's who I would have dropped

petehosk · « **Reply #837 on:** August 18, 2018, 09:24:01 AM »

Buttler is a luxury, but do you "rotate him out" and play Curren instead? That would mean you have Jimmy, Stu, Woakes, Stokes, Curran, plus Rash and Root as spin options? 7 bowlers?
Surely that's a luxury too? I admit that Curran looks as strong with the bat as Buttler is (or even stronger on current form) but I thought the idea wasn't to play a bowler for their batting ability?

Surely if Buttler is not in form and is a luxury and 7 bowlers (if you include Root) is also a luxury, then you have the opportunity to play.......
1. Cook
2. Jennings
3. Gubbins (or Vince / simiar)
4. Root
5. Pope
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes / Curran
9. Rashid
10. Stu
11. Jimmy swinger

This would strengthen the batting, get another top order batsman tested at this level, strengthen the middle order, Root could play at his preferred position, the keeper can bat at 7, and we still have plenty of bowling?
Just throwing in a slightly different option there

six and out · « **Reply #838 on:** August 18, 2018, 09:31:31 AM »

Tails never fails..... were bowling!!

six and out · « **Reply #839 on:** August 18, 2018, 09:34:44 AM »

India with 3 changes-

Out - Vijay, Kartik and Kuldeep
In - Darwan, Pant and Bumrah

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