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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #840 on: August 18, 2018, 09:48:10 AM »

I never get people who moan about too many bowlers.

As long as your top 7 are all test standard batters, it shouldn't matter that you have 6 or 7 bowling options. In fact, insaybthe more the merrier to help manage workload as well as having enough variety to work with to help you get 20 wickets.

And so what if only 4 of those 7 actually get a bowl? As long as your getting the 20 wickets, no one cares.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #841 on: August 18, 2018, 10:43:15 AM »

I never get people who moan about too many bowlers.

As long as your top 7 are all test standard batters, it shouldn't matter that you have 6 or 7 bowling options. In fact, insaybthe more the merrier to help manage workload as well as having enough variety to work with to help you get 20 wickets.

And so what if only 4 of those 7 actually get a bowl? As long as your getting the 20 wickets, no one cares.

I was giving an good alternative. But unlikely to happen until others (such as Pope) get bedded in.
if I were selector my thinking would have been that you can't touch the top 5 batsmen at the moment. Stokes has to come back as it would be crazy not to play him if available.
That leaves 7-11. Can't drop Jimmy, and Stu showed that he seems to be back up to a decent pace and capable of amazing spells. Rashid is the front-line spinner.
That leaves either Woakes, Curran or Buttler to miss out. I would look at current form and Woakes and Curran have both shown that they have form with bat and ball.
I do think Buttler is a fantastic player but his form has dipped down and he hasn't shown any worth in the last two tests. Therefore it should be a no brainer!   
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #842 on: August 18, 2018, 10:49:41 AM »

Picking a collection of 'all rounders' isn't a successful methods to create a long term dominate team. This obsession with Curran is ridiculous. He's had a couple of decent games but he's hardly Ian Botham in the making. When we go to Sri Lanka, Curran not a viable option. 80mph dibbly dobbers aren't cutting the mustard. Stokes is first choice as he's a genuine all rounder in all conditions. Woakes and Curran are only options in England. When we go to Sri Lanka we play two spinners so neither Woakes or Curran get a look in.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #843 on: August 18, 2018, 10:50:36 AM »

Might've been better off having a bat young Joseph...
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #844 on: August 18, 2018, 11:05:26 AM »

I like This dhawan..... quite an agrresive first hour, reminds me of the early test vs aus when he took them on(could have been his first test).

Stokes with exaggerated seam compared to broad and anderson. Braid not doing much so far(albeit harsh judging on one spell).
In my opinion Broad should still be the one to make way.




Buttler, oh buttler. He gets a lot of abuse and calls for his head. Granted he hasn’t turned up in this series, but he did play against Pakistan, the last series he played before that(India away) again his figures with the bat were decent to good in comparison to the tie he batsman in that series.
He also was one of a few batsman that tamed the conditions in the wicket feet that was the roses game recently. Root did sod all, so did Williamson, bairstow okay in second innings.
Buttler showed fight and grit in that game.

Also, if buttler has the gloves, no one would be questioning his position.
Same too 7, in the same order, but the gloves being in a different mans hands seem to make a huge difference?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #845 on: August 18, 2018, 11:35:27 AM »

Woakes!! He’s Bowling well here.


Kohli time
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #846 on: August 18, 2018, 11:37:41 AM »

#WoakesOut
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #847 on: August 18, 2018, 12:03:58 PM »

Bloody Chris Woakes, all he seems to do since returning to the side is take wickets and score big hundreds. Hack.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #848 on: August 18, 2018, 12:32:16 PM »

When we go to Sri Lanka, Curran not a viable option. 80mph dibbly dobbers aren't cutting the mustard.

The defence would like to call Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas to the stand.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #849 on: August 18, 2018, 12:50:45 PM »

Bloody Chris Woakes, all he seems to do since returning to the side is take wickets and score big hundreds. Hack.
Always bowler friendly conditions when he bowls and batter fields when he bats tbh, most of us could manage it.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #850 on: August 18, 2018, 01:16:44 PM »

The defence would like to call Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas to the stand.

Vaas only became dibbly dobbly at the end of his career, in his younger days he was mid 80s regularly. Something that Curran can't do, coupled with Vaas' vast array of skills
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #851 on: August 18, 2018, 02:19:28 PM »

Kohli to fifty. Having a good series.


Which leads to a question.

So the people that slag woakes off. “Only bowls well in England, no point taking him abroad” etc etc.

Kohli highest score in England before this series was 38, and he averaged low teens. So by that wisdom, are you guys suggesting you would have left Kohli at home for this series?
He failed in England before, doesn’t matter he got runs elsewhere does it??

Or are you happy to admit people can succeed in places they didn’t work before given time, experience etc??
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #852 on: August 18, 2018, 02:29:53 PM »

Kohli to fifty. Having a good series.


Which leads to a question.

So the people that slag woakes off. “Only bowls well in England, no point taking him abroad” etc etc.

Kohli highest score in England before this series was 38, and he averaged low teens. So by that wisdom, are you guys suggesting you would have left Kohli at home for this series?
He failed in England before, doesn’t matter he got runs elsewhere does it??

Or are you happy to admit people can succeed in places they didn’t work before given time, experience etc??

You’d hope every player was constantly improving so naturally all players can come good. The only debate is around are they looking to improve or are they happy just sticking to what they know and go ‘brand of Cricket’ ‘Way I play’

Either way, woakes deserves his spot and Curran had a good start so didn’t deserve to be dropped. Stokes is the saviour but his figures don’t stack up for a test top six and out and out bowler so maybe he’s not quite a nailed on as people think.

Maybe he needs to go away and show some consistency etc ? Or do we just pander to his random spells or one in ten knocks ?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #853 on: August 18, 2018, 02:35:20 PM »

You’d hope every player was constantly improving so naturally all players can come good. The only debate is around are they looking to improve or are they happy just sticking to what they know and go ‘brand of Cricket’ ‘Way I play’

Either way, woakes deserves his spot and Curran had a good start so didn’t deserve to be dropped. Stokes is the saviour but his figures don’t stack up for a test top six and out and out bowler so maybe he’s not quite a nailed on as people think.

Maybe he needs to go away and show some consistency etc ? Or do we just pander to his random spells or one in ten knocks ?

I believe woakes is getting better in English conditions every year, so he deserves a shot.

Yes batsman should, if issues are there and unsuccessful look to improve that game.

Jennings looked to change, weather it has worked is yet to be seen(currently I’m not sure as this ain’t a great attack like south’s Africas was).
Balance didn’t change, and it still looked/seemed unsuccessful for international cricket.



As for stokes, although my post had nothing to do with a stokes selection. I’ll say this. We have wondered to broads random spells for the last two years, even though in general he’s got slower, swings it less, and his batting has just become a joke.

Be interesting to see how many times broad has put a match winning effort in, in the last few years compared to stokes(who fortunately for him, gets two chases to do that)
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #854 on: August 18, 2018, 03:33:40 PM »

Difference between Kohli and Woakes: Kohli despite awful tour of England in 2014, general consensus one of the greatest batsmen of the modern era and he'd done it everywhere apart from England. Woakes on the other hand feasts at home and goes missing on every overseas tour. Woakes averages over 60 with the ball in overseas matches and hasn't shown any signs of improvement
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