Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 170755 times)

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #900 on:** August 19, 2018, 08:41:43 PM »

Yey..... Rubbish England are back 😩

Kulli · « **Reply #901 on:** August 19, 2018, 08:49:38 PM »

Quote from: Northern monkey on August 19, 2018, 08:28:20 PM

He�s a professional cricketer who�s highly paid job is to score runs and field
Either he�s not up to the job, or he�s not trying?

Possibly gone at the game, but he�s always been a streaky player, and as for dropping the odd sitter, he�s not alone on that even in the current England slips.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #902 on:** August 19, 2018, 09:41:09 PM »

Same old England, same old excuses for these players.

I�m seeing people putting the likes of Stokes, Bairstow as test class batsmen.. when will people accept they aren�t?. They are capable of some good innings but can�t consistently manage when it�s not a road to pad out their avg�s (which aren�t even in the 40�s!)

Lyth has technical issues, the question is has he fixed it ? He�s a serial nicker and from what little I�ve seen of him he�s not improved as he doesn�t need to at county level

The stocks are bare and our system is failing to produce quality red ball players. People can deny it if they want but where the hell are players going to learn from a young age the skills needed to play red ball?!?! It�s white ball all the way so why do we expect to suddenly produce red ball players ..

Still, from a money perspective .. keeps the series alive

stevat · « **Reply #903 on:** August 19, 2018, 10:13:41 PM »

Lyth is a good player, pushes at the ball a bit which causes him some strife against top seam or swing bowlers with late sideways movement. I'd give him another chance though, think he's been a little more watchful when I've seen him this year.

Otherwise who would you pick? I'm not sure on Burns, Stoneman looks like the whole experience has damaged him, hopefully he gets his career back on track. There's a big fella at Somerset scored a few today, he looks good.

Manormanic · « **Reply #904 on:** August 19, 2018, 10:44:47 PM »

If Lyth were to get another crack - and bear in mind here that I am the alleged Yorkshire Mafia - it should be at four or five. He has always been a slightly uncomfortable opener.

And Adie. YJB not test class? Are you feeling okay?

edge · « **Reply #905 on:** August 20, 2018, 05:51:35 AM »

YJB is, after much effort to get there, a test class keeper/batsman, but nice counterattacking 50s ending in a soft dismissal do not a test no5 make.

Questioning Cook is ridiculous, yes he's on the way downhill but he's at least got two big innings in the past year (which is more than anyone else in this side...). If/when we find an opener for the other end who scores enough runs to stay in the side, Cook will be under pressure. Until then, he's always the safer of the two openers and I don't see England dropping both openers at once!

Whisper it quietly, Pope at 4 is a pretty poor selection... Serious lack of balance in the team at the moment, past the openers every batsman we have is an attacking player, ridiculous state of affairs for a test side.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #906 on:** August 20, 2018, 06:33:47 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 19, 2018, 10:44:47 PM

If Lyth were to get another crack - and bear in mind here that I am the alleged Yorkshire Mafia - it should be at four or five. He has always been a slightly uncomfortable opener.

And Adie. YJB not test class? Are you feeling okay?

His avg simply isn�t test class.. mid to late 30�s is it?? He�s had a lot of games now too. He�s fine at 6/7 but people keep saying move to 1/2/3/4 and that�s just bizarre. He�s shown he isn�t consistent which is the key thing you�re wanting from your top 4 in test cricket. Playing random flashy innings is for your 5/6/7.

England have no one in reserve so either way, it�s just re-arranging the deck chairs so meh.

Just amusing how the team are rubbish but he same players get defended as they fail time after time

csnew · « **Reply #907 on:** August 20, 2018, 06:35:32 AM »

Quote from: edge on August 20, 2018, 05:51:35 AM

Questioning Cook is ridiculous, yes he's on the way downhill but he's at least got two big innings in the past year (which is more than anyone else in this side...). If/when we find an opener for the other end who scores enough runs to stay in the side, Cook will be under pressure. Until then, he's always the safer of the two openers and I don't see England dropping both openers at once!

Those 2 knocks on absolute roads! One of those knocks against West Indies - didn�t realise how important runs against the windiest are. He�s become a flat track bully

Kulli · « **Reply #908 on:** August 20, 2018, 06:55:40 AM »

Quote from: csnew on August 20, 2018, 06:35:32 AM

Those 2 knocks on absolute roads! One of those knocks against West Indies - didn�t realise how important runs against the windiest are. He�s become a flat track bully

Anyone else opening the batting manage any big knocks on those roads against diddies?

Northern monkey · « **Reply #909 on:** August 20, 2018, 07:09:24 AM »

Quote from: edge on August 20, 2018, 05:51:35 AM

YJB is, after much effort to get there, a test class keeper/batsman, but nice counterattacking 50s ending in a soft dismissal do not a test no5 make.

Questioning Cook is ridiculous, yes he's on the way downhill but he's at least got two big innings in the past year (which is more than anyone else in this side...). If/when we find an opener for the other end who scores enough runs to stay in the side, Cook will be under pressure. Until then, he's always the safer of the two openers and I don't see England dropping both openers at once!

Whisper it quietly, Pope at 4 is a pretty poor selection... Serious lack of balance in the team at the moment, past the openers every batsman we have is an attacking player, ridiculous state of affairs for a test side.

Surely questioning someone�s under performing is the only way to progress?
If he�s paid as a batsman to score runs and he doesn�t, what do you do?
If he�s paid to catch the ball and chase after the odd one, and he doesn�t, what do you do?

Oh yeah he�s scored shedloads of runs, and might do again,,,,,okaaay

I�ve got a genuine question,,,,all the money spent on player pathways etc, where�s all the batters?
We know, no one from a state school is gonna play, but all those 20k a term private schools must be churning a few candidates out?

edge · « **Reply #910 on:** August 20, 2018, 07:24:46 AM »

Are we going to drop both openers? No of course not, so Cook's place isn't under pressure even though he isn't performing consistently at the moment. We need to find another opener, Jennings nicking one trying to leave isn't a good look unfortunately. Another slipper would be good to, let's be honest Cook's only ever ended up there because he was captain - he's always been prone to shelling a few dollies.

Batsmen are coming through I think, Clarke/Livingstone probably leading the pack, obviously Pope has got himself in the side. Trouble is there aren't any openers! Easy to see why they haven't picked Burns yet but you suspect he'll get a go by the end of the summer. I see Will Rhodes is in form, but that's probably a stretch...

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #911 on:** August 20, 2018, 07:49:22 AM »

Good article by George Dobell on cricinfo regarding Alastair Cook. Cook's last hundreds have been on slow/low/turgid surfaces. Cook's last 5 hundreds on a pitch helpful for seam bowlers was way back in Bridgetown 2015. If there's no threat to Cook's outside edge, he still capable of filling his boots on flat pancakes. Otherwise he's pretty much a walking wicket

ppccopener · « **Reply #912 on:** August 20, 2018, 07:51:24 AM »

malan and vince may have been jettinsoned a bit too soon, malan especially with a flea in his ear from the selection supremo- harsh if you ask me

Vince nearly was there but came up short as have dozens of others, I agree a bit with @edge , Pope ideally would bat 5 or 6 where he bats for his county,he may be good enough but he has to settle in otherwise he is just another casualty on the list

personally I would bring back Ian Bell, yes I know its short term, but he is genuine top 3 and that's where our problem is.

we don't always have to look 5 years ahead all the time, 1-2 years is ok

the goal is to win matches, with sri lanka and windies in the winter a proved player of spin may be the best option.

Kulli · « **Reply #913 on:** August 20, 2018, 08:05:12 AM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on August 20, 2018, 07:49:22 AM

Good article by George Dobell on cricinfo regarding Alastair Cook. Cook's last hundreds have been on slow/low/turgid surfaces. Cook's last 5 hundreds on a pitch helpful for seam bowlers was way back in Bridgetown 2015. If there's no threat to Cook's outside edge, he still capable of filling his boots on flat pancakes. Otherwise he's pretty much a walking wicket

Can�t argue with the facts, but he�s still the more reliable half of our opening partnership. Sure he has still averaged more than the blokes at the other end in that period.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #914 on:** August 20, 2018, 08:11:37 AM »

Is Bell really actually any good against genuine spin? More often then not when we toured Asian conditions Bell was clueless. In fact Bell's only really capable against 'spin' when it's not turning

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