Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 169348 times)

smilley792 · « **Reply #1140 on:** August 24, 2018, 08:19:50 AM »

Hameeds form isn�t great. But I�d still pick him.

Get him in the squad, and practicing, working with England coaches and becoming part of the squad.

Then take him to Sri Lanka, and back him as your opener.

Remember he made his runs for England in India, he was boss, and even with a broken hand. He was all over ashwin in that test, and ashwin is currently the best spinner out there, and that was in ashwins conditions!!

Back the man!!

iand123 · « **Reply #1141 on:** August 24, 2018, 08:43:25 AM »

Quote from: petehosk on August 24, 2018, 07:50:34 AM

Re dropping Cook.....
My opinion is to find an opening partner for him first! He has had so many opening partners with very limited success.
We know that Cook can open but he hasn't seemed to look settled since Strauss retired! Part of this could be due to him no longer feeling 100% settled? (pure spculation, but we all know cricket can be a game of confidence!)
We don't know the reasons, but once we get an opener who starts to perform, then we give them a go together and see how they get on?
Lets face it, there is no real alternative right now and England are struggling to find a second opener -so let's concentrate on that second opener for the moment?

On the switch hit podcast they were suggesting that cook isnt helping people settle, he is struggling and has been for a while and that is putting the new guys at the other end under more pressure.

Rob580 · « **Reply #1142 on:** August 24, 2018, 09:11:14 AM »

I'm currently of the opinion that we should just do the opposite of whatever Michael Vaughan suggests.

felix · « **Reply #1143 on:** August 24, 2018, 09:29:06 AM »

Quote from: iand123 on August 24, 2018, 08:43:25 AM

On the switch hit podcast they were suggesting that cook isnt helping people settle, he is struggling and has been for a while and that is putting the new guys at the other end under more pressure.

Yes I heard that too, from Mark Butcher who, unlike Vaughan, doesn't just tend to say things to be "controversial". This kind of echoes the point from George Dobell's article that Cook hasn't made a particularly particularly meaningful contribution in a test for years; all of his 5 centuries since Oct 2015 were on flat, dead slow tracks in huge totals, and on a pitch with a bit in it, or any pace, he's been consistently found wanting. Perhaps his struggles have affected his junior partners, but then again would 2 inexperienced openers fare any better?

Kulli · « **Reply #1144 on:** August 24, 2018, 09:58:32 AM »

Quote from: iand123 on August 24, 2018, 08:43:25 AM

On the switch hit podcast they were suggesting that cook isnt helping people settle, he is struggling and has been for a while and that is putting the new guys at the other end under more pressure.

Doesn�t that work the other way too?

felix · « **Reply #1145 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:29:33 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on August 24, 2018, 09:58:32 AM

Doesn�t that work the other way too?

You'd like to think that Cook, as a senior player, should be able to show a bit of leadership and shouldn't have his form messed up by allowing a junior partner to bed in. Did Strauss's form collapse when Cook joined him as an opening partner? Or Tresco's when Strauss first opened with him? Of course maybe they were just better batsmen than the current crop, as the apparent lack of quality opening batsmen to choose from is a terrible indictment of the domestic game now, one of many fundamental problems we seem to have. Sadly I don't think there's any easy answer to this one.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1146 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:34:04 AM »

Quote from: felix on August 24, 2018, 10:29:33 AM

You'd like to think that Cook, as a senior player, should be able to show a bit of leadership and shouldn't have his form messed up by allowing a junior partner to bed in. Did Strauss's form collapse when Cook joined him as an opening partner? Or Tresco's when Strauss first opened with him? Of course maybe they were just better batsmen than the current crop, as the apparent lack of quality opening batsmen to choose from is a terrible indictment of the domestic game now, one of many fundamental problems we seem to have. Sadly I don't think there's any easy answer to this one.

there isn't an easy answer, quite right, and the England management im sure know it.They will be loathe to jettison such and experienced player with a whole raft of players tried in top 3 in recent times.

if I was making my way in test cricket id thank my lucky stars Cook was around to bat with,talk to and generally learn from.

m backing him for a score at the Rose bowl.

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #1147 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:46:25 AM »

The argument that Cooks tons all come when England score big is kind of invalid....

Surely England have only scored big because he's got a score?

felix · « **Reply #1148 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:54:54 AM »

Quote from: Calzehbhoy on August 24, 2018, 10:46:25 AM

The argument that Cooks tons all come when England score big is kind of invalid....

Surely England have only scored big because he's got a score?

In general they've been in very high scoring matches where other players have scored big too, and/or in conditions heavily loaded against bowlers, so his performance hasn't been pivotal.

Kulli · « **Reply #1149 on:** August 24, 2018, 12:37:53 PM »

Quote from: felix on August 24, 2018, 10:29:33 AM

You'd like to think that Cook, as a senior player, should be able to show a bit of leadership and shouldn't have his form messed up by allowing a junior partner to bed in. Did Strauss's form collapse when Cook joined him as an opening partner? Or Tresco's when Strauss first opened with him? Of course maybe they were just better batsmen than the current crop, as the apparent lack of quality opening batsmen to choose from is a terrible indictment of the domestic game now, one of many fundamental problems we seem to have. Sadly I don't think there's any easy answer to this one.

I was playing devils advocate to an extent, but I don�t think having a whole heap of constantly changing partners has made Cooks life any easier.

edge · « **Reply #1150 on:** August 24, 2018, 12:55:32 PM »

The Times claiming Joe Denly is in the frame for Sri Lanka/Windies tours... seems unlikely but who knows!

ppccopener · « **Reply #1151 on:** August 24, 2018, 01:00:29 PM »

Quote from: edge on August 24, 2018, 12:55:32 PM

The Times claiming Joe Denly is in the frame for Sri Lanka/Windies tours... seems unlikely but who knows!

you never know. I think we may just pick an experienced player especially if Cook stays at home,which he might I suppose

Bell/denly/Mitchell/Vince.......all have decent experience

Denly has had a very good season

edge · « **Reply #1152 on:** August 24, 2018, 01:03:41 PM »

Experienced player required to play on bunsens vs side led by highly successful tubby left arm spinner... Samit, your time has come!

petehosk · « **Reply #1153 on:** August 24, 2018, 01:07:59 PM »

Who are the best players of spin we have currently?
But who.....

- are eligable to play for England
- are top order batsmen
- play spin really fantasically and brilliantly well
- haven't got any plans and fancy a trip to SL
- are having a fine season with the bat

Applications being taken now! Any ideas?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1154 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:30:07 PM »

Quote from: edge on August 24, 2018, 12:55:32 PM

The Times claiming Joe Denly is in the frame for Sri Lanka/Windies tours... seems unlikely but who knows!

Has he packed up smoking yet?

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