Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 169372 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1155 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:59:29 PM »

Quote from: felix on August 24, 2018, 10:54:54 AM

In general they've been in very high scoring matches where other players have scored big too, and/or in conditions heavily loaded against bowlers, so his performance hasn't been pivotal.

And yet we have a host of players who people class are world class who barely have an impact either consistently who are being touted as �get em up the order�

Accept englsnd has nothing coming though and cook is still the best we have. Someone mentioned hameed below.. he�s literlaly looked the only one likely since Strauss so if you�re going to throw someone in it might as well be him. At least he looks the part technically and mentally even if his stats are literally miles away from selection.. not like balance, Vince and co whose stats are good.. we just know they aren�t now upto it technically or mentally

felix · « **Reply #1156 on:** August 24, 2018, 05:09:43 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on August 24, 2018, 02:59:29 PM

And yet we have a host of players who people class are world class who barely have an impact either consistently who are being touted as �get em up the order�

Accept englsnd has nothing coming though and cook is still the best we have. Someone mentioned hameed below.. he�s literlaly looked the only one likely since Strauss so if you�re going to throw someone in it might as well be him. At least he looks the part technically and mentally even if his stats are literally miles away from selection.. not like balance, Vince and co whose stats are good.. we just know they aren�t now upto it technically or mentally

It�s true that county championship averages seem to be a less reliable indicator of test potential than ever, so perhaps we do have to take a punt on players that look the part such as Hameed. These kind of picks worked once with the likes of Tresco and Vaughan whose county stats were pretty ordinary. I don�t think any of our middle order have the technique to cut it higher up the order. There was some talk of even opening with Woakes wasn�t there, but his technique against the short ball was properly shown up a Trentbridge

petehosk · « **Reply #1157 on:** August 24, 2018, 05:28:49 PM »

Quote from: felix on August 24, 2018, 05:09:43 PM

There was some talk of even opening with Woakes wasn�t there, but his technique against the short ball was properly shown up a Trentbridge

I'm sure that Woakes would do as well (if not better) than most of the others that have tried so far. But come the next Ashes, Starc and co would be making very short work of him!

edge · « **Reply #1158 on:** August 24, 2018, 05:39:49 PM »

Couple of mentions of that now, not sure Woakes does actually have a problem against the short ball... not sure he should open the batting either mind!

Think these days the reason blokes averaging in the 30s are getting in the test side is less a Trescothick style gut feel selection and more that unfortunately there simply isn't much of a queue of players with massive county averages to pick from.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1159 on:** August 25, 2018, 04:09:56 PM »

Fourth test Stokes might play solely as a batsman

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1160 on:** August 25, 2018, 07:42:59 PM »

I�m confused - if Stokes plays as a batsman, then we still need 5 bowlers. Bairstow is down as a batsman and Butler to keep, plus Vince in the mix. I�m struggling to narrow this down to a simple XI

Cook
Jennings
Root
YJB
Pope
Stokes
Butler +
Woakes
Curran
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

For me - if he�s not fit to bowl, then Stokes misses out.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1161 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on August 25, 2018, 04:09:56 PM

Fourth test Stokes might play solely as a batsman

Why?? He�s not good enough at batting to demand a place as a batsmen..avg whT.. 35/36??

Buzz · « **Reply #1162 on:** August 26, 2018, 06:56:53 AM »

Lots of speculation about the team, as normal. The break between the matches will help the England team. The Indian team played really well at Trent Bridge and the inclusion of Bumrah made a big difference.

The reality is that England's top order is still a mess, but also that the Indians are bowling well with the new ball.

As much as I was a fan of Root at 3, it has clearly failed. As our best player the team management need to adjust that. I am also a huge fan of Ollie Pope, but it is clear he isn't a test 4 at the moment. So what do you do.

Root moves to 4. Build the team around that.

We can't keep playing Jos as a number 7 specialist batsman. Either you are a specialist batter and in the top 5 or you are the keeper. Five is too high for Bairstow to keep and bat (finger injury or not) and his second innings returns have shown this too. So either Jos or Johnny are in the in the top 5 or they keep.

So what are you left with? Well Johnny won't be keeping at the Ageas bowl. So Jos is at 7 with the gloves.

Cook and Jennings are opening, rightly or wrongly.
Vince, Moeen or YJB at three as that is where the gap is
Root at 4
Pope, Stokes and jos
Woakes, Curran may come in for Woakes as I am not sure on his fitness.
Rashid or Moeen
Broad and Anderson

Simples.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1163 on:** August 26, 2018, 11:45:53 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on August 26, 2018, 06:56:53 AM

Lots of speculation about the team, as normal. The break between the matches will help the England team. The Indian team played really well at Trent Bridge and the inclusion of Bumrah made a big difference.

The reality is that England's top order is still a mess, but also that the Indians are bowling well with the new ball.

As much as I was a fan of Root at 3, it has clearly failed. As our best player the team management need to adjust that. I am also a huge fan of Ollie Pope, but it is clear he isn't a test 4 at the moment. So what do you do.

Root moves to 4. Build the team around that.

We can't keep playing Jos as a number 7 specialist batsman. Either you are a specialist batter and in the top 5 or you are the keeper. Five is too high for Bairstow to keep and bat (finger injury or not) and his second innings returns have shown this too. So either Jos or Johnny are in the in the top 5 or they keep.

So what are you left with? Well Johnny won't be keeping at the Ageas bowl. So Jos is at 7 with the gloves.

Cook and Jennings are opening, rightly or wrongly.
Vince, Moeen or YJB at three as that is where the gap is
Root at 4
Pope, Stokes and jos
Woakes, Curran may come in for Woakes as I am not sure on his fitness.
Rashid or Moeen
Broad and Anderson

Simples.

You're implying that Bairstow is a one in three shot for selection, and moves to convenience Pope? I'm not sure that is right.

Though I do think there is an argument for moving the order round in the circumstances. If Pope is to be given a fair chance - and they have selected him now - then he should bat at six where he does for Surrey. How you fit the other personalities in to the side is anyone's guess, as Root and Jonny both ideally bat four, Stokes, Buttler and Pope all six

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1164 on:** August 26, 2018, 12:13:08 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 26, 2018, 11:45:53 AM

You're implying that Bairstow is a one in three shot for selection, and moves to convenience Pope? I'm not sure that is right.

Though I do think there is an argument for moving the order round in the circumstances. If Pope is to be given a fair chance - and they have selected him now - then he should bat at six where he does for Surrey. How you fit the other personalities in to the side is anyone's guess, as Root and Jonny both ideally bat four, Stokes, Buttler and Pope all six

You pick your best number 4 at 4, 5 at 5, 6 at six and anyone else just fills in and you accept they will fail but as long as they look to apply themselves to test batting it�s all we can ask. Then at least you know what positions you�re not looking for.

Currently we seem to rate most of our god awful and inconsistent batting side as world class so everyone is in denial and over rating abilities.

Stokes is a six at most
Bairstow 5
Pope who knows

Buttler isn�t a top six batter but if you must play him then he goes six and stokes seven as the all rounder.

Either way, it�s tragic how much people over rate our players and won�t just admit they aren�t very good

six and out · « **Reply #1165 on:** August 26, 2018, 02:19:31 PM »

It sounds ludicrous but if YJB is fit then England could be unchanged after getting an absolute drubbing. Vince was selected as cover remember and Mo was always in the original squad. So if YJB is fit then the side stays the same, whether right or wrong, Root has no reason to move, they still think Pope is a number 4 etc....

stevat · « **Reply #1166 on:** August 26, 2018, 03:35:43 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on August 25, 2018, 10:24:57 PM

Why?? He�s not good enough at batting to demand a place as a batsmen..avg whT.. 35/36??

Sure I read that Stokes avg is above 40 batting at 5? Regardless 36 is better than anything else out there atm. He's batted well in this series, comparatively.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1167 on:** August 26, 2018, 05:00:41 PM »

Might be worth considering newspapers are saying bairstow may not get the gloves back instead be assured of his place by the management and shifted up to open for the winter tours.

Mixed feelings about this if it proves to be true, we know Bayliss is a huge fan of Butler in the side and keeping, and we are desperately short of quality top order batsmen.

It also would create a space in the middle to accomodate a newbie, or put Pope there if he is in fact better off batting 5 or 6 to get used to test cricket.

It's not the worst idea I've heard myself, I don't believe we can have two keepers in where both are specialist batsman as low down as 7 or 8 if they both played

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1168 on:** August 26, 2018, 08:49:17 PM »

Quote from: stevat on August 26, 2018, 03:35:43 PM

Sure I read that Stokes avg is above 40 batting at 5? Regardless 36 is better than anything else out there atm. He's batted well in this series, comparatively.

And stokes is improving every match

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #1169 on:** August 27, 2018, 10:54:53 PM »

Rumours that India will be unchanged for the first time under Kohli's captaincy

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