Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 169944 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #1425 on:** September 03, 2018, 08:47:57 PM »

I did read burns plays an imaginary leg glance before the ball is delivered which is unusual I would think. Can't remember a player doing that in the past, perhaps that has held him back a bit for a England shot so far.
I think Vince should get another chance, yes he has had some already but it's worth another shot.

Joe Clarke of Worcs for me at 1,2 or 3.

Bell would be my bet for 12 months even thou it's short term I don't think that should be an issue.

So I would pick

Clarke
Bell and Vince..

Clarke is very young and will improve, Vince has some experience and talent, it's his head needs sorting. So far in the championship he has got his head down

beaver5 · « **Reply #1426 on:** September 03, 2018, 09:13:44 PM »

I don't agree that Denly would be a short term fix at 32 years of age. He's in the form of his life, would bring experience to play alongside another new opener and bowls leg spin, which will be invaluable on the up coming tour. I can't believe cricket still thinks players are past it if they are over 30. Roger Federer would have no chance if he was an English cricketer!

stevat · « **Reply #1427 on:** September 03, 2018, 09:22:08 PM »

I really like Burns - and you can't argue with his stats. I did hear that the selectors found his technique a bit odd, and thus overlooked him in favour of more orthodox players. Load of nonsense that, nobody would have selected Graeme Smith based on his technique but he was superb, same goes for Sehwag, Smith and loads more.

In particular I heard they don't like his turning his head to mid-on during the bowlers gather, presumably a tactic to prevent him falling over towards off?

Burns or Denly and/or Bell would be brought in for me. Joe Clarke is great, his time will come. I also like Mitchell at Worcs.

Based purely on form, those players should probably all be involved anyway.

cricketbadger · « **Reply #1428 on:** September 03, 2018, 09:30:16 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on September 03, 2018, 09:13:44 PM

I don't agree that Denly would be a short term fix at 32 years of age. He's in the form of his life, would bring experience to play alongside another new opener and bowls leg spin, which will be invaluable on the up coming tour. I can't believe cricket still thinks players are past it if they are over 30. Roger Federer would have no chance if he was an English cricketer!

I agree with you completely

Just feel the selectors may view him as rather old

SD · « **Reply #1429 on:** September 03, 2018, 09:53:14 PM »

Very sad to see Cook call time on his international career at a relatively young age. He looked like he needed a break from the treadmill of international cricket and I was hoping he would take the winter off and come back refreshed. Happy that he has committed to playing for Essex for another 3 seasons though.

billyb · « **Reply #1430 on:** September 03, 2018, 10:26:48 PM »

Burns has to get a go at the top! He has scored so many runs in Div 1.
I've heard Gubbins and Denly suggested, but I think Jennings will keep his place for the final match to be honest. He shouldn't... but this is England. Radical change is unlikely.
I still think Vince is good enough to make it at the international level. His 76 against NZ was unlucky to see him not get a chance this summer really. He strengthens a really weak top order as a proper bat, but where does he fit? At the top? Or would he score more in an already packed middle order? After much thinking, this is my strongest England team for the future- imagining if we didn't have to play Cook for the last test. Bairstow is batting too low, and shouldn't have played in the most recent test really. I think he is exhausted after a long summer. Is he the ideal opener? No, but by batting there he balances the side really well (and will settle him & and he is a proven international run scorer). I really like the look of this side- a strong looking top order (Ali batting 3 is the new thing apparently), plenty of low order runs and a varied bowling attack.

Burns
Bairstow
Ali
Root (C)
Vince
Stokes
Buttler (WK/VC)
Woakes
Curran
Broad
Anderson

Squad: Rashid, Leach, Porter, Pope, Overton, Denly

Two interesting articles- Buttler to keep https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/09/03/jos-buttler-become-englands-long-term-test-wicketkeeper-jonny/
Denly and Burns: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/09/03/england-could-pick-rory-burns-joe-denly-winter-sri-lanka-tour/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

hammersjr · « **Reply #1431 on:** September 03, 2018, 11:33:07 PM »

Only IMHO

Burns has to come in for the sheer amount of runs scored in div 1 opening.
Denly as rightly been pointed out is in the form of his career and although hasn�t been opened this year does have experience of opening in the past and stated he wants to open in the future. Also handy leg spin for when we need it.
Clarke definitely is a talent and surely it wouldn�t be a bad bet to just give him a long run in the side, pretty much regardless of his form as he�s not a short term fix and could be a long term number 3.
Root then bats where he wants at 4.
Stokes to stay at 5 and be that 4th seamer.
Buttler as just a batsmen comes in at 6.
Bairstow gets the gloves back, which he wants but goes down to 7
Ali 8, just tell him he�s second spinner behind denly

Curran at 9, which I think is too low but where else do you fit him in lol
Broad although can go through days of not bowling well, he has that awesome spell in him and don�t see who else would be better, no.10
Anderson number 11 until he can�t run in anymore

six and out · « **Reply #1432 on:** September 04, 2018, 05:51:13 AM »

1st things 1st, we should be unchanged for the Oval, Cook should get 200 and a bowl, and get Kohli for a pair 😂😂

Now Sri Lanka and replacing him. Sheer weight of runs says Burns gets a chance. I keep Jennings because changing both would be too much and Jennings actually plays spin quite well.
New No.3 is Denly, in the form of his life, he's a proper no.3 batter so he comes in.
Root at 4 where he obviously wants to bat.
Butler at 5 without the gloves, i think Butler is a better batsman than the others in Asia due to IPL experience.
Stokes at 6 where he wants to bat
Bairstow at 7 with the gloves, if he keeps he bats 7 and in Asia it's where he should bat
Mo at 8
Curran at 9
Rashid at 10
Leach at 11

I know this means we go into the match with no Broad or Anderson but it will happen sooner or later so this is the ideal opportunity to try it. We will need 3 spinners, granted Denly/Root could fill 1 of those spots but I really don't see the point of playing more seamers than Stokes and Curran when spin is going to be bowled all day. We might as well play more spinners and bat deeper.

The last series in Sri Lanka vs SA. SL bowled something like 10 0overs of seam across 2 tests! Including 0 overs of seam in 1 game!

EDIT: squad would include Pope and Clarke as back up batters. And Broad and AN Other seamer as back up bowlers.

sgcricket · « **Reply #1433 on:** September 04, 2018, 06:22:49 AM »

Now the 5th test won't be interesting. Would have wanted a series decider. But Moeen, Sam and Jos made the difference. In hindsight, India should have played Jadeja on that pitch. He would have made a big difference.

iand123 · « **Reply #1434 on:** September 04, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »

So it�s the same squad for the 5th test minus Vince

six and out · « **Reply #1435 on:** September 04, 2018, 11:28:47 AM »

Quote from: iand123 on September 04, 2018, 11:14:24 AM

So it�s the same squad for the 5th test minus Vince

yep be interesting who bats 3 now there is no specialist 3 in the squad and Root blatantly doesn't want to do it.

Kulli · « **Reply #1436 on:** September 04, 2018, 11:49:09 AM »

Quote from: six and out on September 04, 2018, 11:28:47 AM

yep be interesting who bats 3 now there is no specialist 3 in the squad and Root blatantly doesn't want to do it.

Moeen the sacrificial lamb no doubt. Or Root does it one more time before they try a proper number 3 in the winter.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1437 on:** September 04, 2018, 12:14:54 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 04, 2018, 11:49:09 AM

Moeen the sacrificial lamb no doubt. Or Root does it one more time before they try a proper number 3 in the winter.

yes.....smells a bit this. from 7 or 8 to 3 don't make any sense.

moeen like a lot of our batsman is a 5 6 or 7 or 8 against test class bowling

he's a team man thou and will bat anywhere

credit to him for that

SD · « **Reply #1438 on:** September 04, 2018, 12:20:24 PM »

Moeen's attitude to do whatever is asked of him contrasts sharply with Bairstow's childish petulance over the wicketkeeping issue but you do feel that Ali needs a clear role in the batting line up if we are to get the most out of him. He has opened and now batted 3 but he doesn't look best suited to either of those roles. Bringing back Bell and dropping Root down to 4 where he wants to bat seems the best option with Ali batting 7/8 depending on the make up of the side

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1439 on:** September 04, 2018, 12:26:29 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on September 03, 2018, 09:13:44 PM

I don't agree that Denly would be a short term fix at 32 years of age. He's in the form of his life, would bring experience to play alongside another new opener and bowls leg spin, which will be invaluable on the up coming tour. I can't believe cricket still thinks players are past it if they are over 30. Roger Federer would have no chance if he was an English cricketer!

Wouldn't pick untried 30 plus year olds as there won't be a long term future in it for the player or England

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