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New way to deal with thin handles???
« on: August 08, 2018, 01:34:15 AM »

Okay, a little bit of clickbait here, as it's not something new - a fair few companies such as B3 and Kelsall have done this. Having seen a fair few Indian bats have very thin oval handles, and me being one who avoids double gripping if possible, I've decided to double bind 2 of my SS cricket bats. Two reasons for this: The handle was extremely thin and I feel that a second round of binding will probably help with the durability of the thin handle/prevent the handle from delaminating too soon/aggressively, hence increasing the lifespan of the shoulders and the bat.

Lovely example of a butterfly low grade bat: (As a side note, Laver sell Butterfly Gold grades for like $800... Saw one on facebook on auction and nearly spat out my coffee when they mentioned the RRP. Looked lovely, and I understand the premium product thing, but it is butterfly... Eventually went for $580 USD - that's £450 ish)






The Laver Butterfly. (Absolutely gorgeous, and I'd probably have been allured for £300 ish... I've really gone off topic, but this has genuinely got to be one of the most beautiful butterflies, but also frustrating that it's been priced so high... This should probably be discussion for another thread!)







As you can see in the following pictures, the shoulders are reasonable sized, but aren't exactly the thickest. The handle feels like what I'd expect a size 6 to have in terms of girth.





So at the start of the process, I decided to weigh the bat, and it came in on the scales at 2lb 7.32oz ungripped. I started off by gluing the binding - all of it as I found that the binding from the factory felt a bit to fabric-ey, suggesting that it hadn't been glued post bind.



As a fan of more oval handles, I decided to put on some tennis overgrip tape just to pad out the handle slightly. It makes it very ever so slightly oval, the difference is a little noticeable, but almost negligible. I decided to do this before binding:



To start off the binding, I had about an inch of binding at the top which was parallel to the handle, which I then overlapped with binding. This is to ensure that the twine at the top of the handle doesn't come loose. I spread some glue along about a 1.5 inch length of handle and then started binding. I pretty much rinsed and repeated this till the end.

And a few pics of the ending of the binding (Actually messed up and had to unravel a bit, but just to demonstrate what you are trying to do to get the twine to end underneath the binding) What I learned was that the loop can get stuck under the binding IF you either have too much binding, or you glued the handle prior to the end part. What I would recommend is leaving about 2cm before the loop, and don't glue the handle underneath as you're wrapping round then pulling through. Only glue the binding after you've finished pulling the loop through and tightened the twine, and then cut off the excess twine once the glue has set a bit. If I wasn't so slow at binding by hand, this issue would probably not happen!














Aaaand the end weight? 2lb 8.31oz. This is a 1oz increase, but I suspect would have been around 0.7-0.8oz without the overgrip and insulating tape.




The gripped weight was 2lb 9.9oz, and it felt much better in the hands, especially without the sudden dip in the middle of the handle thanks to the overgrip tape. This might seem like a pointless thread, but I wanted to see if any batmakers agree with me here regarding the benefits of a second layer of binding. It allows for almost like a double gripped feel, except with what I reckon would be extra sturdiness of the handle and also around 0.8oz less weight. Also, if you find that the binding ends quite high up the handle, you can rectify this by binding even further down, which I did for around 3-4 rounds, as I didn't feel it was massively high up.

Oh, and in terms of time taken, it was done entirely by hand and took me 45 minutes, so quite a lengthy process, but the end result was satisfying. Hope this wasn't too boring, and provides some sort of platform about discussion regarding handles. They're probably one of the 3 most important parts of a bat, with the other 2 being pressing and shaping/balancing. Without a good quality handle/join, you won't get the best out of a piece of willow in terms of longevity and performance - the reason why I'm hesitant at times with bats from Asia as they can come with filler and super thin handles.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 05:19:12 AM »

Nice thread , nice job.
I take the twine off my bats and replace with medical tape and leave the bottom inch or so of binding (to achieve something similar to oz gn process). I only do this because my arthritic hands needs very thin handles .
If i could cope with thicker handles i would wqnt double binding on my handles . I think it can firm up the handle and help transfer more power through to the ball on impact .
On a side note , if anyone wants to thicken/strengthen  their handles but dont want to /can't  add an extra layer of binding , then medical tape over the binding may be a worthwhile option .
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 07:13:39 AM »

Cracking job!!

And that laver is stunning

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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 07:16:13 AM »

Great work @Chad nice little demo for those who might wish to thicken things up 👍
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 08:09:58 AM »

Ever easy binding by hand but that's a neat job 45 mins for hand binding is about right.
Also as well as what you have written double binding  will  help reduce any vibration through the handle which is common with bats from Asia.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 08:59:25 AM »

Great thread @Chad

I've just done this on my bat too. Double bound and double gripped to finally get some decent thickness in it. Why oh why do brands struggle to make decent handles like GM?*




* I know why but it is still frustrating to struggle to find decent thickness handles

Guess the main reason is so many sales are done online these days, and thick handle equals more weight.

GM, B3 and Aldred have all done good chunky handles for me.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »

Nice thread , nice job.
I take the twine off my bats and replace with medical tape and leave the bottom inch or so of binding (to achieve something similar to oz gn process). I only do this because my arthritic hands needs very thin handles .
If i could cope with thicker handles i would wqnt double binding on my handles . I think it can firm up the handle and help transfer more power through to the ball on impact .
On a side note , if anyone wants to thicken/strengthen  their handles but dont want to /can't  add an extra layer of binding , then medical tape over the binding may be a worthwhile option .
Sure I saw a video with Rohit Sharma doing exactly that and explaining that it helps strengthen the handle, using ever so slightly more around the bottom hand.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »

Been doing this for years, and completely agree with your logic. A few potential tips that you may want to consider for next time:

1. use gloves (even cheap plastic ones) to prevent blisters
2. buy extra thick twine - i usually need 3 grips, so getting extra thick twine really helps.

you'll get faster and more efficient each time you do this
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 01:40:46 PM »

That LW has the perfect profile for me
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 03:27:10 PM »

Which is better/ recommended twin thread or that cotton tape?

Cotton tape looks to be easy and mess free.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 03:42:32 PM »

Which is better/ recommended twin thread or that cotton tape?

Cotton tape looks to easy and mess free.

Traditional cotton is what batmakers use it's stronger and easier to work with.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 03:46:44 PM »

That LW has the perfect profile for me

Yep I like it as well but 450 for butterfly willow
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2018, 12:24:03 PM »

Nice thread , nice job.
I take the twine off my bats and replace with medical tape and leave the bottom inch or so of binding (to achieve something similar to oz gn process). I only do this because my arthritic hands needs very thin handles .
If i could cope with thicker handles i would wqnt double binding on my handles . I think it can firm up the handle and help transfer more power through to the ball on impact .
On a side note , if anyone wants to thicken/strengthen  their handles but dont want to /can't  add an extra layer of binding , then medical tape over the binding may be a worthwhile option .

@Biggie Smalls cheers, sorry to hear about the arthritic hands. :( But medical tape is a good option too, you can wrap it real tight. Thing I've heard about binding is that not only does it help tighten the handle, but when glue is applied, the binding tightens that little bit more. (Could be a myth, but I definitely read that somewhere!)

Cracking job!!

And that laver is stunning

Thanks @Northern monkey, the Laver is indeed stunning, and part of me wished I went for it, but at £450, would have been a bit overkill haha. Gorgeous grains, and also the gold stickers do go well with the willow tone and grain definition.

Great work @Chad nice little demo for those who might wish to thicken things up 👍

Cheers! Might pop up a video for those who don't bind enough bats to invest on a lathe. I've bound maybe 4 bats in total, but 3 of them recently. Makes me wish I had a lathe, but it's quite therapeutic doing it by hand. Does cause back ache, but worth the results - Improved feel and pickup cannot be understated! I just subtract the extra 45 mins from the knocking process. ;)

Ever easy binding by hand but that's a neat job 45 mins for hand binding is about right.
Also as well as what you have written double binding  will  help reduce any vibration through the handle which is common with bats from Asia.

Cheers Alan, it's 45 minutes of hand cramp and glue'd up fingers, but worth it in the long run. Didn't realise it would help reduce vibration, but I guess it acts as a bit of a shock absorber as well as reducing the amount of movement in the handle. The shocking thing is a LOT of bats from Asia don't have their binding glued post bind. I find SS big culprits in this area, but I do have a soft spot for them...


Been doing this for years, and completely agree with your logic. A few potential tips that you may want to consider for next time:

1. use gloves (even cheap plastic ones) to prevent blisters
2. buy extra thick twine - i usually need 3 grips, so getting extra thick twine really helps.

you'll get faster and more efficient each time you do this

Definitely feels like I'm going at a slightly quicker rate, just did up my TON Reserve. Got a TON Players coming in that I'll probably look to bind too! Luckily I'm not a 3 grip guy, normally only use 1, I like to really feel the ball off the bat, just so I know if I've hit correctly or not. (Also seem to have done best with single grip) Thanks for the tips @brokenbat!


Great thread @Chad

I've just done this on my bat too. Double bound and double gripped to finally get some decent thickness in it. Why oh why do brands struggle to make decent handles like GM?*




* I know why but it is still frustrating to struggle to find decent thickness handles

Agreed @DorsetDan, super frustrating, feels like I'm holding a twig at times! I know double binding should help increase the strength of the handle, but would rather they put a thicker handle in it in the first place! Yes, all of the companies you mentioned plus the likes of Hunts and others do make a nice sized handle.

Which is better/ recommended twin thread or that cotton tape?

Cotton tape looks to be easy and mess free.

I'll be honest with you, did not know that cotton tape was used before. Could be well worth looking into if it makes the process easier! Something about twine binding though haha, maybe it's just what I'm used to! There's one bat in my collection without twine, and that's my Kaboom. It does feel rather odd, but has about an inch of binding at the bottom of the handle just to strengthen the join. Perhaps with all the restrictions on bat sizes now, more research will go into handles and types of binding that aid performance etc?
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