Topic: New AS Champ (Read 34046 times)

Mfarank · « **Reply #150 on:** August 29, 2019, 04:38:11 PM »

Quote from: KW9221 on August 29, 2019, 04:12:00 PM

Some manufacturers in the sub-continent are using European Willow and still calling it English Willow. This willow looks good with many narrow grains, it even plays well for a short time but it is very brittle and soon breaks. A lot of fake bats will be made form this wood. It grows wild on the rivers of Europe and has to deal with extremes or heat and cold which makes it very slow growing. It is very hard to tell a European Willow from an English Willow bat, generally European willow will be very narrow grained and have a lot of red colour as per the photo, but not always. If the bat is branded and too cheap to be true it could be European Willow. Photo of European Willow tree here and European Willow cleft.

http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/imperfections-in-willow/

I know what European willow is mate. And like i posted above, its not narrow grained, no heartwood, if these arent english willow bats then i will go ahead and challenge every single bat out there marketed as english willow

KettonJake · « **Reply #151 on:** August 29, 2019, 05:31:31 PM »

Sub �100 from Pakistan is more than achievable considering the volumes of clefts the large brands buy.

If GM can make a 404 in Nottingham for less than �100 then I have no doubt something similar is more than do-able in Pakistan.

The bit I�m struggling with is �top grade�

I�ve seen plenty of Pak made bats at this price point that are always promised as top grade and almost always look like this. Then there�s the handles to consider, usually poorly made and ill fitting, this is quite a generalisation but it�s usually the case in my experience

Mfarank · « **Reply #152 on:** August 29, 2019, 06:12:52 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on August 29, 2019, 05:31:31 PM

Sub �100 from Pakistan is more than achievable considering the volumes of clefts the large brands buy.

If GM can make a 404 in Nottingham for less than �100 then I have no doubt something similar is more than do-able in Pakistan.

The bit I�m struggling with is �top grade�

I�ve seen plenty of Pak made bats at this price point that are always promised as top grade and almost always look like this. Then there�s the handles to consider, usually poorly made and ill fitting, this is quite a generalisation but it�s usually the case in my experience

404? I bought this for GBP127 plus postage!

It really isnt that hard to fathom that a top grade english willow bat can be made available in Pakistan for gbp160 (remember there is a limited time 50% off sale from AS which i made use of).

What really baffles me are the companies who charge north of GBP400 for their bats even though most production is in india where labor conditions are pretty similar to Pakistan

KettonJake · « **Reply #153 on:** August 29, 2019, 06:53:43 PM »

For �127 that bat has been sold at a loss by the retailer, it�s not really a reflection of where bat pricing is at

Mfarank · « **Reply #154 on:** August 29, 2019, 07:02:26 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on August 29, 2019, 06:53:43 PM

For �127 that bat has been sold at a loss by the retailer, it�s not really a reflection of where bat pricing is at

Sometimes this is done to gain trust of customers. If a gbp80 bat works out then i would be happy to pay more next time

Mfarank · « **Reply #155 on:** August 29, 2019, 07:48:54 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on August 29, 2019, 06:53:43 PM

For �127 that bat has been sold at a loss by the retailer, it�s not really a reflection of where bat pricing is at

Is it really at a loss to the manufacturer though? Think about it. I have been in Lahore (one of the biggest and most commercial cities of pakistan) for the last 20 days. Visited dozens of cricket shops and found that 100% of them either stock CA, MB, Ihsan or unstickered bats. There are so many great bat companies in pakistan but nobody stocks them. Imagine: one of the best batsmen we have produced in recent times is sponsored by HS, yet not a single retailer is stocking the HS 41 bat. Even our captain in all 3 formats is an HS guy yet i didnt see a single HS core 5 bat in any retail stores. Everyone i asked, said "we only stock CA or Ihsan because other brands dont sell". AS have recently resurfaced into the market since they sponsored Faheem Ashraf and Asif Ali. I think its a brilliant move on their part if they can sell a few bats at very low price and build their reputation through word of mouth so more people are interested in them and more retailers are stocking them

Cholrudee · « **Reply #156 on:** August 29, 2019, 09:02:52 PM »

AS Champ is listed @ 160.00 USD - http://www.assports.com/champ-english-willow-bat

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

80.00 USD is a bargain but not what AS Champ bats are all about.

Mfarank · « **Reply #157 on:** August 29, 2019, 09:18:58 PM »

Quote from: Cholrudee on August 29, 2019, 09:02:52 PM

AS Champ is listed @ 160.00 USD - http://www.assports.com/champ-english-willow-bat

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

80.00 USD is a bargain but not what AS Champ bats are all about.

Did you read the part about what i requested them? There were plenty of 10-15 grainers but almost all of them had heartwood and heavier than 2lb11oz in the champ profile. I told them i want zero heartwood and sub 2lb10oz weight even if it has only 6 grains and they did exactly that. And the sale price is closer to gbp80 not usd80.

Cholrudee · « **Reply #158 on:** August 29, 2019, 09:33:14 PM »

You will be expecting the AS Champ profile to arrive which is very nice.

Jimmy Tiwana · « **Reply #159 on:** August 30, 2019, 12:53:11 AM »

Quote from: Six Sixes Cricket on August 23, 2018, 11:49:18 AM

Impressive sise/specs. Whats the handle like? personally fill most pakistan bats are let down with cheap handles

Agree

Yorkershire · « **Reply #160 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:30:48 AM »

Quote from: Cholrudee on August 29, 2019, 09:02:52 PM

AS Champ is listed @ 160.00 USD - http://www.assports.com/champ-english-willow-bat

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

A Professional Quality Cricket Bat used & Recommend by ASIF ALI & FAHEEM ASHRAF

Premium Quality English Willow Bat

Awesome Power Condensed in Striking Area

Sweet Spot

9+ Straight Grains

4 Pcs Flexible Cork handle for Eco power & Control

80.00 USD is a bargain but not what AS Champ bats are all about.

They will sticker it up as a champ even if it technically isn't a champ going by their own definition.

I am hoping to go to Pakistan next year, but unless I see something special or go to Sialkot I won't be buying a bat. If I do go to Sialkot I will more than likely be going to visit AM who I have had dealings with and get something custom, more to do with the fact I am there than anything.

I do agree there are many good brands outside of Malik, Ihsaan and CA, but it's no different to here, you have the big brands and smaller ones. An example that comes to mind are Hunts County who make great bats but GM, GN and NB/Adidas are everywhere.

Mfarank · « **Reply #161 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:47:59 AM »

Quote from: Yorkershire on August 30, 2019, 09:30:48 AM

They will sticker it up as a champ even if it technically isn't a champ going by their own definition.

I am hoping to go to Pakistan next year, but unless I see something special or go to Sialkot I won't be buying a bat. If I do go to Sialkot I will more than likely be going to visit AM who I have had dealings with and get something custom, more to do with the fact I am there than anything.

I do agree there are many good brands outside of Malik, Ihsaan and CA, but it's no different to here, you have the big brands and smaller ones. An example that comes to mind are Hunts County who make great bats but GM, GN and NB/Adidas are everywhere.

I knew that was a possibility especially due to the 50% discount. Hence i made it somewhat easier for them and demanded something realistic. If they're going to stick the champ stickers on something I'd rather it be something that i can live with rather than a monster 15 grainer that weighs 2lb14oz. A slight twist in the tale is that the courier messed up my address and since i fly back tonight, i have told them to hold the bat at their airport office where i will collect it before checking in to my flight. So stay tuned until tomorrow morning for updates

CricketXI · « **Reply #162 on:** August 30, 2019, 04:51:15 PM »

I too bought a AS champ bat in last year's sale and that was G2 willow (45% heartwood) in my opinion.

I just wanted to know what is a decent price range in which one can buy a proper G1 bat made in Pakistan.

And also if someone buys an AS champ during the non-sale time for $ 200 should they expect a G1 bat?

KW9221 · « **Reply #163 on:** August 30, 2019, 05:22:43 PM »

Quote from: CricketXI on August 30, 2019, 04:51:15 PM

I too bought a AS champ bat in last year's sale and that was G2 willow (45% heartwood) in my opinion.

I just wanted to know what is a decent price range in which one can buy a proper G1 bat made in Pakistan.

And also if someone buys an AS champ during the non-sale time for $ 200 should they expect a G1 bat?

I think if you buy them on regular price then it may be better quality and g1 bat.

I recently bought a MB bubber sher and it looks like a G1.

Mfarank · « **Reply #164 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:25:18 PM »

Right then, here we are...

Finished weight: 1205g (2lb10.5oz) feels 2-8 in my hands
All Sapwood Zero heartwood
Zero concaving
6-7 straight grains
Round face
38mm edges
63mm spine
20mm toe on the edge
32mm toe in the center
17.5mm shoulders
107mm blade width
555mm blade length
295mm handle length
Medium thickness round handle
AS Champ Asif Ali stickers
The press is quite soft so it will require careful knocking in

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1ugcp6dya/

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