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SAFC2403

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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 11:48:10 AM »
This is going to be an interesting thread to watch.

Most of my older bats are wide grained - i have a 80's powerspot that could probably still be used - whereas some of my clubmates modern bats with lots of tight grains are knackered in less than 2 seasons.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2018, 12:06:07 PM »
You could measure shore hardness of the bat face, electron microscope the wood structure or even cross section under light microscope. 3 point bend test would be interesting... Wouldnt be great for bat making after tho.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2018, 01:26:07 PM »
Quote from: prim0pyr0 on October 17, 2018, 12:06:07 PM
You could measure shore hardness of the bat face, electron microscope the wood structure or even cross section under light microscope. 3 point bend test would be interesting... Wouldnt be great for bat making after tho.

Nice ideas! They probably require a bit more equipment than you'll find kicking around in my garage tbh. We'd need to get a university research lab involved.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 02:13:49 PM »
Quote from: SAFC2403 on October 17, 2018, 11:48:10 AM
This is going to be an interesting thread to watch.

Most of my older bats are wide grained - i have a 80's powerspot that could probably still be used - whereas some of my clubmates modern bats with lots of tight grains are knackered in less than 2 seasons.

That is scary as I reaped the benefits of "tight grains" this season. I hope that bat lasts more than 2 seasons. :)
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 03:43:25 PM »
It stands to reason as timber splits easily along the Grain. Therefore, the more grains there are the greater the chance of splits.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2018, 04:48:05 PM »
Also older wood (more grains) is drier in the middle/heartwood area so will be more brittle.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2018, 06:07:11 PM »
Fascinating thread! Look forward  seeing how they progress.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2018, 06:19:54 PM »
Great thread!
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2018, 06:37:21 PM »
Its threads like these that made me join the forum in the first place! I feel like einstein when i discuss these topics with my teammates later  :D
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 07:34:29 PM »
Awesome.
Go team wide grains ! Whooooo !
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2018, 08:08:39 PM »
This is brilliant Justin!

I still believe pressing has a massive part to play. My bat is a ‘Sussex’ made one, it pinged from the word go and only has 6 grains.

And let’s not even start on butterflies!  (How did yours end up at the end of the season @JK Lewis
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2018, 10:22:31 PM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on October 17, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
This is brilliant Justin!

I still believe pressing has a massive part to play. My bat is a ‘Sussex’ made one, it pinged from the word go and only has 6 grains.

And let’s not even start on butterflies!  (How did yours end up at the end of the season @JK Lewis

Good news, it survived completely intact. Less good news, the boss still won't let me hang it above the fireplace.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2018, 06:50:46 AM »
I will also be watching this with interest.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2018, 07:54:13 AM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on October 17, 2018, 02:13:49 PM
That is scary as I reaped the benefits of "tight grains" this season. I hope that bat lasts more than 2 seasons. :)

My aldred has 12 tight grains and i'm hoping that lasts longer than 2 seasons as well - took barely any knocking in and was pinging from the get go but i remember a 5* GN took AGES to knock in.

I suppose its a balance really - do you want a bat that performs pretty much from the get go but wont last or something that takes longer to open up that should last a while.

Budget v performance
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2018, 11:11:20 AM »
Quote from: SAFC2403 on October 18, 2018, 07:54:13 AM
My aldred has 12 tight grains and i'm hoping that lasts longer than 2 seasons as well - took barely any knocking in and was pinging from the get go but i remember a 5* GN took AGES to knock in.

I suppose its a balance really - do you want a bat that performs pretty much from the get go but wont last or something that takes longer to open up that should last a while.

Budget v performance

Couple of batmakers I know prefer to say that a bat should last for 2000 runs, 2500 runs or whatever. I guess it covers them a little better. Makes sense really, I mean I only play 12-15 games a season but others may play 30 or 40. Some of us bat longer and harder than others too of course!
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