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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2019, 08:30:01 PM »

Maiden 1st class ton for Olly Robinson for Kent, played against him when he was like 15 and was class with gloves and bat seems like Kent have a conveyor belt of young keeper:batsmen
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2019, 08:41:40 PM »

Over the last 5 years or so, who's better? Balkance's first class performances have been phenomenal.

If we're talking pure weight of runs? Rory Burns?

But that wasn't your original atatement. You claimed Gary Ballance was the best batsman in county cricket by a distance.

I'm not a Ballance hater, and wouldn't be mortified if he got another go.  I was just doubting your assertion was accurate.
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2019, 08:46:24 PM »

Maiden 1st class ton for Olly Robinson for Kent, played against him when he was like 15 and was class with gloves and bat seems like Kent have a conveyor belt of young keeper:batsmen

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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2019, 08:52:21 PM »

Over the last 5 years or so, who's better? Balkance's first class performances have been phenomenal.

Averaged 39 last year and 33 in 2016 that's a low bar for phenomenal
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2019, 09:29:45 PM »

He's not!

Depends how you assess the sentence grammatically.

If you are looking for the best batsman who plays in the Championship, hell no. He'd be third, maybe fourth in his own club in terms of pure talent.

If you are saying best batsman in championship cricket though...maybe. He has a superb mental game and he doesn't struggle with nibble from the steamers.

So, should he be considered for England? Stat for you. Prior to his dropping from the test side, he went nearly 15 runs per hundred balls quicker than he does now. It's a technical change but...
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« Reply #110 on: April 13, 2019, 03:00:33 AM »

Depends how you assess the sentence grammatically.

If you are looking for the best batsman who plays in the Championship, hell no. He'd be third, maybe fourth in his own club in terms of pure talent.

If you are saying best batsman in championship cricket though...maybe. He has a superb mental game and he doesn't struggle with nibble from the steamers.

So, should he be considered for England? Stat for you. Prior to his dropping from the test side, he went nearly 15 runs per hundred balls quicker than he does now. It's a technical change but...

Nothing to do with grammar! The statement is massively flawed.

He's a better player now because he scores his runs slower? Oh dear!

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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2019, 06:44:32 AM »

Nothing to do with grammar! The statement is massively flawed.

He's a better player now because he scores his runs slower? Oh dear!

Has he slept with your wife or sumat
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2019, 07:33:07 AM »

Has he slept with your wife or sumat

Just seems to like causing arguments and not allowing people an opinion I think you will find
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2019, 01:58:00 PM »

Jack Leach has spun us out in April, how is he not starting every test for england!
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2019, 02:37:16 PM »

Jack Leach has spun us out in April, how is he not starting every test for england!

All are really well taken wickets as well.

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« Reply #115 on: April 13, 2019, 05:36:47 PM »

He's a better player now because he scores his runs slower? Oh dear!

Actually my point was the opposite - that he returned after his dropping and instead of technical changes to succeed at the top level, he seemed to decide he would grind them out by dropping all risk from his game.
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2019, 07:28:43 PM »

Ballance's response to bring dropped seems a somewhat unusual one in that he seems to have resolved to turning himself into the best possible county player he can be rather than working on the faults that were exposed at the top level.  For me it is a case of weight of runs not being a reason to get him back into the test side.  If he isn't prepared to address the issues that have seem him dropped twice, then scoring runs at domestic level shouldn't carry any weight

I think that Bairstow has been lucky to keep his place in the test side over the last few years, but he has deserved to have a second go as he has clearly made a noticeable change to his set up since his first crack at test cricket and also scored a weight of runs. 

There would be something very 1990s about England picking the same player with th same faults and expecting different outcomes
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2019, 08:27:30 PM »

Ballance's response to bring dropped seems a somewhat unusual one in that he seems to have resolved to turning himself into the best possible county player he can be rather than working on the faults that were exposed at the top level.  For me it is a case of weight of runs not being a reason to get him back into the test side.  If he isn't prepared to address the issues that have seem him dropped twice, then scoring runs at domestic level shouldn't carry any weight

I think that Bairstow has been lucky to keep his place in the test side over the last few years, but he has deserved to have a second go as he has clearly made a noticeable change to his set up since his first crack at test cricket and also scored a weight of runs. 

There would be something very 1990s about England picking the same player with th same faults and expecting different outcomes

Bairstow now isn’t a patch on the player who came back second time, he’s been compromised by white ball and just isn’t up to being able to bat consistently
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2019, 08:38:51 PM »

Ballance's response to bring dropped seems a somewhat unusual one in that he seems to have resolved to turning himself into the best possible county player he can be rather than working on the faults that were exposed at the top level.  For me it is a case of weight of runs not being a reason to get him back into the test side.  If he isn't prepared to address the issues that have seem him dropped twice, then scoring runs at domestic level shouldn't carry any weight

I think that Bairstow has been lucky to keep his place in the test side over the last few years, but he has deserved to have a second go as he has clearly made a noticeable change to his set up since his first crack at test cricket and also scored a weight of runs. 

There would be something very 1990s about England picking the same player with th same faults and expecting different outcomes

Interesting viewpoint, can't or won't change technique, that is a difficult question, I wonder if in six months time Burns who is slightly unorthodox has a lean spell and is dropped because of his technique....could he change it if this happened? No one knows but my guess is not....and sheer weight of runs got him selected, over a good period of 5 seasons.

Ballance/ bairstow is an interesting one. ballance has a higher test average I'm not sure about first class.

Bairstow I like a lot but I think his insistence of keeping wicket is masking a couple of years where his average is going South.

I'm not pushing Ballance for a recall but he probably, not sure of the stats exactly, of the County batsmen tried since Bell and KP retired, has the highest test average.

In that sense, he should.....be first name on the list from the County scene.
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Re: County Championship 2019
« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2019, 08:48:20 PM »

Just seems to like causing arguments and not allowing people an opinion I think you will find

Couldn’t agree more with this, read something the other day where he was preaching like it was gospel. Looking forward to seeing him as a pundit on sky over this season seen as he is the authority on all things cricket.

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