Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147872 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #300 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:19:26 PM »

I mean, they've started off well

six and out · « **Reply #301 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:24:48 PM »

No wickets all day! After 18 yesterday.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #302 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:51:01 PM »

Good start.. bit of application shown

My �5 on the win at 40-1 is looking good so far... I�m backing the win as I think this wicket is flat and a test top six should be able to win from here

NT50 · « **Reply #303 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:52:06 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 25, 2019, 07:57:41 PM

Tbh after the comments Boycott made saying are average is it any surprise three local lads(Holder, Dowrich and Roach) have made him eat his own words. I don't understand why we need to insult the opposition when we've won once in their backyard in 50 odd years. It beggars belief

That's because Boycott is an awful bloke and an even worse commentator

csnew · « **Reply #304 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:04:33 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 25, 2019, 07:57:41 PM

Tbh after the comments Boycott made saying are average is it any surprise three local lads(Holder, Dowrich and Roach) have made him eat his own words. I don't understand why we need to insult the opposition when we've won once in their backyard in 50 odd years. It beggars belief

A bit like Vaughan, loves a headline.

Good start from England anyway. The pitch as expected has died, England have a chance to get some runs.

West Indies should prepare 2 flat pitches for the remaining two games and take a 1-0 series win

ppccopener · « **Reply #305 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:18:44 PM »

Yep good effort after an exhausting day, we just need to battle a bit which might help for the next game.

As for boycott, he is losing his influence in the press and I'm not sure he is of any relevance at all to anyone under 30.

Personally there's loads of commentators and ex players to listen to before him.

billyb · « **Reply #306 on:** January 26, 2019, 01:07:56 AM »

It's nearly an impossibility that we will win, but it would be great to see players get themselves into form and score runs. We know that a big series from Root and Bairstow can be decisive.

Number4 · « **Reply #307 on:** January 26, 2019, 10:22:29 AM »

I hope a better team shows up for the Ashes 😜

six and out · « **Reply #308 on:** January 26, 2019, 10:51:09 AM »

I have been thinking about our selection for this test and more specifically the question...

What actually made us select 2 spinners? And alongside that Rashid over Leach?

Rashid only bowled 27 overs across both innings and Root bowled more overs than him in the WI 2nd innings.

I mean was it just purely Root backing himself to win the toss and therefore bat 1st and have use of the pitch bowling last with 2 spinners?

Or did they genuinely misread the pitch etc...

Curran was always going to play because he extends our batting so it must have been a call between Rashid and Broad.

ppccopener · « **Reply #309 on:** January 26, 2019, 11:01:17 AM »

We have mis read the pitch because it was tacky and heavily watered before the game I'm sure. Broad should of played because Curran is not an opening bowler anywhere in the world, good prospect but not a front line bowler. To compound that the wicket appears to be two faced and yes they are quicker than us and we are knackered but 18 wickets one day no wickets the next how often do you see that?

For me if we play two spinners Leach has to be the other because he can hold an end, Root bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground is criminal.....he can't turn to Rashid for 25 overs in a day because he is too loose.

There's a big question thou over Rashid, does he play again after this match? Can Root trust him?

Love to see what the forum thinks.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #310 on:** January 26, 2019, 11:10:38 AM »

It's quite clear the management wants to keep Rashid in the Test fold as he's a key component in the bid to finally land that elusive world cup. Keep him around and keep him motivated. That said Rashid is a dreadful red ball bowler. Even on square turners in Sri Lanka he was a passenger, until he got a 5fer in the dead rubber. The Rashid experiment has run its course, he's not a Test bowler and never will be.

Manormanic · « **Reply #311 on:** January 26, 2019, 11:10:48 AM »

The question isn't can Root trust him, it is really DOES Root trust him. And I think the answer is clear that Root sees him as a luxury bowler. I said on day one, I can individually understand the selections of Curran, Ali and Dilly, but not all three of them--they needed one more front liner, be that a proper opening bowler or a first spinner. Misreading the pitch is one thing, leaving your artillery short of shells quite another.

SD · « **Reply #312 on:** January 26, 2019, 11:51:15 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 26, 2019, 11:01:17 AM

We have mis read the pitch because it was tacky and heavily watered before the game I'm sure. Broad should of played because Curran is not an opening bowler anywhere in the world, good prospect but not a front line bowler. To compound that the wicket appears to be two faced and yes they are quicker than us and we are knackered but 18 wickets one day no wickets the next how often do you see that?

For me if we play two spinners Leach has to be the other because he can hold an end, Root bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground is criminal.....he can't turn to Rashid for 25 overs in a day because he is too loose.

There's a big question thou over Rashid, does he play again after this match? Can Root trust him?

Love to see what the forum thinks.

It seems to me that the selectors see a leg spinner as a key component of being able to turn around England's dismal away record in tests, and rightly so in my view. It is difficult to say whether England got selection wrong in picking two spinners as we won't get the chance to bowl on a day 4 or 5 surface due to an awful 1st innings batting performance, but given the way the surface has dried out by the end of day 3, I don't think they got that aspect of selection wrong. Given the options in the squad, it is only Broad coming in for Curran that I feel would have made a difference to the bowling.

As an aside, I never understood why Plunkett was disregarded for test selection, he is England's best bowler for bang it in to the surface conditions. He won't be as effective at home in pitch it up conditions, but he provides something you need for certain parts of the world

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #313 on:** January 26, 2019, 12:02:46 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 26, 2019, 11:01:17 AM

We have mis read the pitch because it was tacky and heavily watered before the game I'm sure. Broad should of played because Curran is not an opening bowler anywhere in the world, good prospect but not a front line bowler. To compound that the wicket appears to be two faced and yes they are quicker than us and we are knackered but 18 wickets one day no wickets the next how often do you see that?

For me if we play two spinners Leach has to be the other because he can hold an end, Root bowling Stokes and Anderson into the ground is criminal.....he can't turn to Rashid for 25 overs in a day because he is too loose.

There's a big question thou over Rashid, does he play again after this match? Can Root trust him?

Love to see what the forum thinks.

If England don't stick with Rashid we might hear of his retirement from test cricket...

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #314 on:** January 26, 2019, 12:16:55 PM »

Quote from: SD on January 26, 2019, 11:51:15 AM

It seems to me that the selectors see a leg spinner as a key component of being able to turn around England's dismal away record in tests, and rightly so in my view. It is difficult to say whether England got selection wrong in picking two spinners as we won't get the chance to bowl on a day 4 or 5 surface due to an awful 1st innings batting performance, but given the way the surface has dried out by the end of day 3, I don't think they got that aspect of selection wrong. Given the options in the squad, it is only Broad coming in for Curran that I feel would have made a difference to the bowling.

As an aside, I never understood why Plunkett was disregarded for test selection, he is England's best bowler for bang it in to the surface conditions. He won't be as effective at home in pitch it up conditions, but he provides something you need for certain parts of the world

Even though the groundsman was asked to prepare the fastest track possible
Don't think the selection of 2 spinners was was wrong it rarely is in a 5 day test after all when selecting a tests side over 5 days it's need to be balanced therefore Broad should have played instead of a batsman and as you have you mention it's hardly the spinners fault they can't bowl on days 4 5.

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