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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #330 on: January 26, 2019, 02:57:22 PM »

Someone defend Keaton Jennings. Please. Go on.

 :( :( :( ...... I would put money on him playing the whole series though  :o :o :o
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #331 on: January 26, 2019, 02:58:48 PM »

Someone defend Keaton Jennings. Please. Go on.
To a certain extent, I rate him. So classy vs spin, clearly got a bit about him, just needs a breakthrough innings I think - he can't be totally hopeless against seamers given he scores a lot of county championship runs. Worth persevering with for as long as is feasible.

Plus... alternatives? Go back to someone we've tried before - Jennings has done better than most of them anyway. Pick a new opener from the counties - I'd say the only realistic option would be Chris Dent, who would be a massive punt. Everyone else is too old or too inexperienced. Or try and manufacture an opener from the best available batting candidates - could work, but you're guessing. That said, I'll give you good odds on Jason Roy walking out on the first day of a test match by the end of the year...
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« Reply #332 on: January 26, 2019, 03:16:51 PM »

Don't see how Roy could be any worse than Jennings!

Though, it would be rather decent if Hameed could pretend the last 2 years didn't happen and started scoring runs again  :(
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #333 on: January 26, 2019, 03:18:14 PM »

You can't bat against pace with minimal foot movement unless you are exceptional, and I mean KP or Trescothick. There's a lot of similarities in style as in Jennings and Tresco play away from the body and are upright left handers in style.
But a gulf in class like the Grand Canyon.

So for most mortals you need feet it's really the key as some of us were taught early on.

Before the technique 'experts' comment 'no it's about head movement' yes if you have hand eye co-ordination like only the best in the world, for the rest the feet have to help the head get into position.

Jennings is not behind the ball or going towards the ball with much at all.He has come a long way with this fault, it's the same one as when he was first picked and then dropped.

I would make a change now and get Denly in, he is a top 3 bat and picked on the tour because he is deemed good enough to be there.

With no matches in Sri Lanka or warms ups here it's a tough ask, a very tough ask, but Jennings needs to go away and fix his faults.At 26 he can still improve but he needs work.


Waiting for other ideas from behind the keyboards but please but please not Bairstow any higher, he is excellent but has his hands full this high up
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #334 on: January 26, 2019, 03:24:48 PM »

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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #335 on: January 26, 2019, 03:27:16 PM »

To a certain extent, I rate him. So classy vs spin, clearly got a bit about him, just needs a breakthrough innings I think - he can't be totally hopeless against seamers given he scores a lot of county championship runs. Worth persevering with for as long as is feasible.

Plus... alternatives? Go back to someone we've tried before - Jennings has done better than most of them anyway. Pick a new opener from the counties - I'd say the only realistic option would be Chris Dent, who would be a massive punt. Everyone else is too old or too inexperienced. Or try and manufacture an opener from the best available batting candidates - could work, but you're guessing. That said, I'll give you good odds on Jason Roy walking out on the first day of a test match by the end of the year...

Warne spoke about Jennings and those who simply sweep everything vs spin.. he was scathing and basically said it’s one dimensional and easy to remove but comes off every so often. Jennings can literally only sweep.  That’s not classy really.. the way buttler played spin that one game ca India or Michael clarke did is clsssy.. use of feet, fully forward and fully back etc

Jennings is nit good enough and scores runs at county lvl due to it being relatively dire in standard . The fact Roy has been mentioned below somewhere as a test top six bat highlights the lack of quality around

Hammeed is the only answer but the ECB have ruined him so like Finn., he is literally unselectable
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #336 on: January 26, 2019, 03:31:42 PM »

The best way to get good at something is to do it a lot. English professional cricketers do not play enough proper cricket.

I'm sick to death of these arguments that we are simply picking the wrong people.

Anyway, just a few months ago, you were all saying what a great team we had.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #337 on: January 26, 2019, 03:34:56 PM »

The best way to get good at something is to do it a lot. English professional cricketers do not play enough proper cricket.

I'm sick to death of these arguments that we are simply picking the wrong people.

Anyway, just a few months ago, you were all saying what a great team we had.

Not all, but the majority were saying how great this side was.. anyone not calling them great was dismissed as being negative though.

As you say, the system is broken and there isn’t enough ‘proper’ cricket from grass roots to county champ to produce the players required . Meaning we have lots of bits and pieces players (curran, moeen, Stokes (who is a 7 not 5), Bairstow (again 6 not 3) etc etc
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #338 on: January 26, 2019, 03:36:23 PM »

Right.l Bairstow needs to remember it’s not a one day game.. stop trying to manufacture runs and just wait for the bad balls.. burns.. getting lucky as he seems to be trying to be more aggressive.. ffs.. bat all day.. runs will come so dont rush
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #339 on: January 26, 2019, 03:59:19 PM »

Oh Rory, what have you done? :(
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #340 on: January 26, 2019, 04:01:29 PM »

Big gap that Rory
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #341 on: January 26, 2019, 04:10:46 PM »

Good effort lad. Worrying how many wide balls he plays at though...
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #342 on: January 26, 2019, 04:11:46 PM »

You can't bat against pace with minimal foot movement unless you are exceptional, and I mean KP or Trescothick. There's a lot of similarities in style as in Jennings and Tresco play away from the body and are upright left handers in style.
But a gulf in class like the Grand Canyon.

So for most mortals you need feet it's really the key as some of us were taught early on.

Before the technique 'experts' comment 'no it's about head movement' yes if you have hand eye co-ordination like only the best in the world, for the rest the feet have to help the head get into position.

Jennings is not behind the ball or going towards the ball with much at all.He has come a long way with this fault, it's the same one as when he was first picked and then dropped.

I would make a change now and get Denly in, he is a top 3 bat and picked on the tour because he is deemed good enough to be there.

With no matches in Sri Lanka or warms ups here it's a tough ask, a very tough ask, but Jennings needs to go away and fix his faults.At 26 he can still improve but he needs work.


Waiting for other ideas from behind the keyboards but please but please not Bairstow any higher, he is excellent but has his hands full this high up

You have to get behind the ball specially the new ball  and not play away from your body  head still eyes still the head leads first not feet as it puts everything in line
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #343 on: January 26, 2019, 04:13:07 PM »

You have to get behind the ball specially the new ball  and not play away from your body  head still eyes still the head leads first not feet as it puts everything in line

Burns is playing  A LOT away from his body.. that is a very big worry
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #344 on: January 26, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »

Burns is playing  A LOT away from his body.. that is a very big worry

And that's why he got out
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