Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147925 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #375 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:35:18 PM »

Since Moeen last scored a test hundred, some 35 innings ago, he's averaging 23 with the bat. In that time he's scored just four half centuries and in fact have more ducks(6) than fifties. He never was an all rounder a bit of a luxury player.

He's no longer a luxury we can afford considering we have so many passengers in the side. Jennings, Curran, Moeen and Rashid should go be dropped.

smilley792 · « **Reply #376 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »

What happens if broad comes in for next test and is crap like he is for 9 out of the ten tests he�s played in, in the last few years?

Dude only turns up once in a while.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #377 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:42:28 PM »

From what�s out there

Burns
Denly
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Leech

However, I�d tell Bairstow and Foakes they are now competing for the wk spot only. I�d tell stokes he�s now a six/7 and I�d tell buttler he�s at five but MUsT get his avg above 40 by the end of the SA tour. If it�s not, he�s done.

Leaves problems at 2/3 so we simply see how denly does and then just give the highest run scorer who when watched isn�t another one day style player a go.

Can�t just keep putting round pegs in square holes as they obviously aren�t willing or able to change their mentalities or styles

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #378 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:44:43 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 26, 2019, 07:39:12 PM

What happens if broad comes in for next test and is crap like he is for 9 out of the ten tests he�s played in, in the last few years?

Dude only turns up once in a while.

I'd rather pick a geezer with 400 wickets than three geezers combined barely good enough to be in the side

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #379 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:44:43 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 26, 2019, 07:39:12 PM

What happens if broad comes in for next test and is crap like he is for 9 out of the ten tests he�s played in, in the last few years?

Dude only turns up once in a while.

I can�t argue Chris. If he doesn�t turn up then wood comes in and come the ashes we go with whoever is fast and doing the best. Start trying others. These guys are not the answer and have been given a go

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #380 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:47:01 PM »

Let�s see if root has the gonads to face the media or will they send a junior player, spare player or coach

Not that they will say anything than what amounts to PR spin

NT50 · « **Reply #381 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:49:00 PM »

Big fan of the fact that Chase now has better figures than Shane Warne ever claimed against England

Alvaro · « **Reply #382 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:57:58 PM »

Makes sense to me Billy

shadowlight · « **Reply #383 on:** January 26, 2019, 08:00:45 PM »

Congratulation West Indies, you were the better team on the field.

Edit: One thing that I cannot seem to understand is England's fixation with Ashes and constantly looking ahead, instead of concentrating on the current team and game.

smilley792 · « **Reply #384 on:** January 26, 2019, 08:09:40 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 26, 2019, 07:44:43 PM

I'd rather pick a geezer with 400 wickets than three geezers combined barely good enough to be in the side

Since January 2017.

Ali has took More wickets than broad.

Ali and Curran have better strike rates and better average than broad.

Rashid has a better strike rate than broad.

All 3 are better batsman than broad, as broad still shuts his eyes and dives to square leg.

But yeah let�s concentrate on what broad did in his pomp, not what he�s done in the last few years. And even those figures are made to look better by his random innings when he decides to show up

ppccopener · « **Reply #385 on:** January 26, 2019, 08:23:04 PM »

Quote from: shadowlight on January 26, 2019, 08:00:45 PM

Congratulation West Indies, you were the better team on the field.

Edit: One thing that I cannot seem to understand is England's fixation with Ashes and constantly looking ahead, instead of concentrating on the current team and game.

Well said and it's quite true, all we should be thinking about is this tour, hence why Denly should play and bring some experience.

If not Denly then ok but respect the Windies and just think about now. the media seem obsessed with just one series every two years.

six and out · « **Reply #386 on:** January 26, 2019, 08:38:41 PM »

Well played WI.

How's this for a brutal stat from the test...

England: 323-20
Holder & Dowrich: 323-2

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #387 on:** January 26, 2019, 08:43:00 PM »

Since jan 1 2018

Jennings 27
Burns 30
Bairstow 30
Root 39
Stokes 26
Buttler 42
Moeen 17
Foakes 47
Curran 33

All rounded up

billyb · « **Reply #388 on:** January 26, 2019, 09:52:49 PM »

Okay, I've done some statistics just to see whether our frustration with England not 'batting time' pans out.

It does. I took the recognised batsmen & all-rounders from: India (World No.1), South Africa (World No.2), England (World No.3) and New Zealand (World No.4). I used the last 4 test matches as my dataset as anything bigger would have taken too long. I then looked at their runs scored & balls faced. My theory is that England consistently don't bat for long enough, as we saw today.

Some initial thoughts: Moeen Ali and Rahul's form has been atrocious- 78 & 94 runs over 4 Tests. New Zealand are either seriously in-form or are future possible World No.1... They had less players in my analysis too. England aren't as good as we like to think. South Africa's batting unit has been average lately, but they keep winning!

These two tables show the gulf in quality between England and New Zealand over the past 4 tests.

Finally, I then looked at the averages of these four teams. Interesting results!

Thanks for reading!

Manormanic · « **Reply #389 on:** January 26, 2019, 09:54:21 PM »

Bit radical but why not throw this out there:

Burns
Woakes
Denly
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes
Curran
Anderson
Leach

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