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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #390 on: January 26, 2019, 09:56:12 PM »

Great win by West Indies, out played England in all departments

Think it’s highly disrespectful that the English commentators are blaming the lack of warm up games for losing - that’s always the go to excuse


Root’s batting has gone downhill since getting the captaincy. No longer in the same class as KW, Kohli and smith
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« Reply #391 on: January 26, 2019, 11:07:49 PM »

If nothing else, Burns is looking the part.

Was he? He played any number of shots every bit as bad as the one Jennings got out to but had the luck for them to fall into gaps then missed a straight ball by a mile to start the collapse. 

He had had less chances than some of those around him so deserves this series , but his technique is awful.  He plants on off stump then had no movement to the line of the ball.  Anything that goes away from him and he is left wafting miles away from his head position, anything coming back in and he is falling over. 

The batting unit failed badly in this test but the options in the touring party look limited right now.  One could argue Denly should get a go after enjoying the holiday of a lifetime so far this winter but he isn't a natural opener.   Bowling wise I am not sure how anyone can pick the attack now without having seen the pitch that the 2nd test will be played on.  Barbados is one ground in the Carribean where spin has been less influential, and to me the way the pitch played on day 4 suggests England were a right to pick 2 spinners.  I didn't see how anyone can suggest dropping both Ali and Rashid until we see what the surface for the next test will be like a
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #392 on: January 26, 2019, 11:19:12 PM »

The best way to get good at something is to do it a lot. English professional cricketers do not play enough proper cricket.

I'm sick to death of these arguments that we are simply picking the wrong people.

Anyway, just a few months ago, you were all saying what a great team we had.

Not just English cricketers.  :(
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« Reply #393 on: January 27, 2019, 07:18:42 AM »

I have been thinking about the overall picture of this a bit more with regards the WI and world cricket.

Putting my England allegences aside. How good it was to see a good WI side with very good Crickerer's in it, Hetmyer looks a great talent, Holder continuing his form and fast bowlers running in and bowling fast!

A good and competitive and fully available WI team can only be good for test cricket .
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« Reply #394 on: January 27, 2019, 07:52:49 AM »

Was he? He played any number of shots every bit as bad as the one Jennings got out to but had the luck for them to fall into gaps then missed a straight ball by a mile to start the collapse. 

 I didn't see how anyone can suggest dropping both Ali and Rashid until we see what the surface for the next test will be like a

Was Burns perfect?  No - he had a few wafty moments first thing yesterday morning.  But he showed a good knowledge of where his off stump was, at least against the seamers, and did an excellent job of putting away the bad balls, as 15 boundaries evidenced.  He has worked very hard on his game - he made a big leap forward last season, even having scored heavily the year before - and did enough here to suggest that he might have the makings of a decent test player.

As for dropping Ali abd Rashid, lets call a spade a spade.  It doesn't matter if the pitch is Chittagong on steroids if you bowl a full bunger and two half trackers most overs.  One has to go to make way for Leach to bring some much needed control (and relief for the pace bowlers) and if there is need for a second, at this point there is  decent argument to consider Denly as a bowler (yes, thats a deliberate exaggeration - but not as big a one as it would have been a week ago)
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #395 on: January 27, 2019, 08:06:41 AM »

A good and competitive and fully available WI team can only be good for test cricket .

Especially if they marry that with playing on good pitches like this one rather than the horrid pancakes of recent years.  Its actually the first time I can remember where their Test XI looks more or less like the strongest they have available - you could perhaps argue a full fit Russell would be considered, maybe Evin Lewis - but it is not the shadow side to one day renegades that it was a few years back.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #396 on: January 27, 2019, 09:02:18 AM »

I think George Dobell says it all...

Dobell: Barbados thumping a reminder of England's perennial problems https://es.pn/2Huwbqi

In particular the observations relating to the focus on the white ball game mid season and batting averages. Simply not good enough, but not a surprise with the focus away from the red ball.

Jennings has to go. He's an opener who prefers spin and can't deal with straight balls. This Windies attack and the Aussies will tear him apart. Denley in for this tour only then selectors, please pick on County Championship merit.  Pick the players in form
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« Reply #397 on: January 27, 2019, 09:04:31 AM »

In addition, Bairstow isn't a number 3, I'd swap him and Root
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #398 on: January 27, 2019, 09:11:39 AM »

Pick the players in form

It will at last be nice next year that the first class season is not shoehorned into the first two and last month of the season.  Maybe playing on some mis Summer pitches will give us a better idea of who is and is not top quality.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #399 on: January 27, 2019, 09:15:18 AM »

In addition, Bairstow isn't a number 3, I'd swap him and Root

No, he's ideally a four or five.  But Root doesn't want the job, and Stokes is bowled into the ground.  We have an issue really in that we have probably seven guys (the three above, Buttler, Foakes, Ali, Curran, Woakes) whose best position is between 4, mostly 5 and 7 but a paucity of real options in the top three.  It seems remarkable to think that a decade ago players as good as Rob Key got only a handful of tests and David Sales didn't even get one.
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« Reply #400 on: January 27, 2019, 08:27:09 PM »

No, he's ideally a four or five.  But Root doesn't want the job, and Stokes is bowled into the ground.  We have an issue really in that we have probably seven guys (the three above, Buttler, Foakes, Ali, Curran, Woakes) whose best position is between 4, mostly 5 and 7 but a paucity of real options in the top three.  It seems remarkable to think that a decade ago players as good as Rob Key got only a handful of tests and David Sales didn't even get one.

Has Buttler shown any desire to say bat at 3 or has England management basically said we need you to bat at 7?  Since, he has come back to the team, I have gotten the impression that he has valued his wicket and is willing to play as a test batsmen should be playing keeping team requirements and time in mind.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #401 on: January 28, 2019, 08:11:55 PM »

Ben Foakes quoted as saying today a change may need to come after such a heavy defeat in the test. A hugely mature attitude given he has only just got into the team. Replacing him with either Bairstow or Butler is the wrong move in my book but it would enable Root to have his preferred combination of bowlers, as in an extra one, making 6.

Does anyone think England are going to go back to Bairstow for the next match and if so who bats 3? An impossibility for JB to do both jobs you would think.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #402 on: January 28, 2019, 08:26:29 PM »

Bowling lacking penetration, Batting lacking application

Changing the wicketkeeper should be the last thing on their mind!
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #403 on: January 28, 2019, 08:31:48 PM »

Bairstow to keep wicket and bat at 3 Broad to play plus 2 spinners predictions are that the wicket will be  slightly quicker than Barbados and will turn  but not  excessively on days 4 and 5.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #404 on: January 28, 2019, 08:34:30 PM »

Broad and Leach for Curran and Rashid. Jennings in the last chance saloon.
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