Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147990 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #420 on:** January 29, 2019, 12:51:25 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 29, 2019, 12:19:53 PM

My concern is that we've got one opener who can't play pace and another who can't play spin. I'm sure Australia will already be planning on getting Lyon on early against Burns.

Jennings still has the same glaring technical deficits as he did last time. He's just bloody useless, if he was a horse he'd be shot. Maybe he should try batting right handed, he couldn't be much worse.

I'm not sure how you come to form your opinions posted on here, Burns has not had enough games to know whether he can or can't play a certain type of bowling, he did OK against spin in Sri Lanka, he is early in his test career to make any real judgement, from his FC record he knows how to score runs, second innings in Barbados he batted very well until one went thru the gate.

Jennings is a superb player of spin and a excellent close in fielder, that's not a useless cricketer. The County game standard has allowed him to score runs without having good enough feet or weight transfer against pace bowling.For a tall bloke he needs feet and weight to move quickly and in the right place, unless hand eye co ordination is in the Trescothick class-which it is not.Trescothick was tall with minimal foot movement but his weight was into the ball most of the time.

I would not have jennings in myself, as tough as it would be for him I would have Denly in as the only alternative in the top order, even then it's not ideal as he is not an opener.

As many others have quite rightly said, the cupboard is not full of top order class, we have to make the best of the players we have.We are not a bad side when all things are considered.

SLA · « **Reply #421 on:** January 29, 2019, 01:08:02 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 29, 2019, 12:51:25 PM

I'm not sure how you come to form your opinions posted on here

Oh the answer to that is easy, I turned on the telly.

Believe it or not, but back in the days before everyone became totally obsessed with stats, this is how we used to judge batsmen - by watching them bat.

edge · « **Reply #422 on:** January 29, 2019, 01:30:10 PM »

Not that it's anything to do with the present series, but if Rory Burns walks out the first test of the Ashes and plonks the Aussie seam attack so effectively around Edgbaston that they haul them off and bring Lyon on, I'd say he deserves a pat on the back!

shadowlight · « **Reply #423 on:** January 29, 2019, 03:01:05 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 29, 2019, 12:15:24 PM

I think that's about right. I might push Buttler (and maybe even Foakes) ahead of Stokes - if he's in the squad as a specialist batsman, then he needs to take that responsibility. Stokes needs the additional rest after bowling 800 overs.

I would swap Butler and Stokes, but leave Foakes where he is. Doing that will give Butler added responsibilities and the additional rest that Stokes needs after bowling. The rest for Stokes all depend on the first 4 showing up. If England is 60 for 3 or something similar in 20 or 30 overs and the captain contributes his usual run a ball 50 before having a brain fade, Stokes or any of the bowlers is not going to get much of a rest.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #424 on:** January 29, 2019, 05:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 29, 2019, 09:56:28 AM

Erm, he got a hundred a couple of months ago?

Sorry meant to state only 2 tests ago

shadowlight · « **Reply #425 on:** January 29, 2019, 07:03:57 PM »

Maybe I missed it earlier but this is very disappointing if it comes true - http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25870769/i-understand-was-dropped-antigua-test-ben-foakes

To me the article reads like England Mgmt has already made the decision to drop Foakes and Foakes has already accepted the decision that he is going to be dropped. Bit harsh to be dropped when everyone else failed in batting, one dropped catch means you lose your place.

Does Cricinfo have the ability to do search for stats on number of dropped catches and byes allowed by the keeper?

Manormanic · « **Reply #426 on:** January 29, 2019, 08:58:43 PM »

Well, you'd hope that is Foakes enhancing his all round good egg credentials rather than evidence of creeping insanity.

billyb · « **Reply #427 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:09:14 PM »

I'll be angry if England drop Foakes, honestly. It would just be another supremely talented player being messed around by a largely feckless ECB.
Ali is offering literally nothing with the bat and couldn't be trusted to hold up an end. Rashid was even worse, bowling wise. Foakes is the best gloveman we have, and offers plenty with the bat as shown in Sri Lanka. I worry that he is going about this wrong- he needs to be saying 'I'm the best here, I dare you to drop me' not this 'I could totally understand' rubbish. Being submissive like that does not bode well.
It depends on the pitch, but Leach is going to offer so much more control than Rashid or Ali, and is equally bad with the bat as those two right now.
Drop Rashid, Ali and Curran, bring in Broad, Leach and Woakes.

PLEASE don't drop Foakes for the love of all things willowy.

Having said that, if Rashid, Ali and Curran go on to score 100s and take 5 wickets each, then fair play...

Kulli · « **Reply #428 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:12:21 PM »

I don�t think you come out and make that comment unless you�re already dropped tbh.

Foakes and Rashid our for Broad and Leach would be my guess. Rashid might survive the series since he�s one of Smiths pet projects.

ppccopener · « **Reply #429 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:17:23 PM »

I get the feeling this might be on the cards thou, and it would be a real backward step if they go this way.

The issue of 'options' for Root is the thing, for arguments sake and I'm not making one we might line up like this:

Burns
Jennings/Denly
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Buttler
woakes/Curran
Ali
Broad
Leach
Anderson

It gives 4 seamers and two spinners should the pitch turn. If the pitch looks like it's a seamer then both Curran and woakes could play and one spinner is left out or someone like Mark wood could play-still 4 seamers.

England got caught out at Barbados and I think we are going to panic change and leave out Foakes.

You can see how they might be thinking, it seems like Root wants to cover all bases over 5 days.

Hope I'm wrong thou along with quite a few on here, I like having the best keeper

billyb · « **Reply #430 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:19:11 PM »

Maybe at the end of the day, it is just a game, and none of it really matters. There are so many things to be angry about right now. Cricket isn't one of them.

I'm just going to look at new kit instead.

Manormanic · « **Reply #431 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:23:00 PM »

Because it makes so much sense to make Bairstow keep and bat three...

For me, Denly, Broad and Leach for Jennings, Ali and Rashid. Sam Curran will do better as a fourth seamer, and can move up the order a bit.

Kulli · « **Reply #432 on:** January 29, 2019, 09:29:25 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 29, 2019, 09:23:00 PM

Because it makes so much sense to make Bairstow keep and bat three...

For me, Denly, Broad and Leach for Jennings, Ali and Rashid. Sam Curran will do better as a fourth seamer, and can move up the order a bit.

I�d agree with that, but not sure they will want to make 3 changes and think Jennings has the most credit in the bank. And that Denly isn�t that enticing as a replacement. If we had a better backup candidate he�d be out.

Sam · « **Reply #433 on:** January 29, 2019, 10:39:33 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on January 29, 2019, 09:12:21 PM

I don�t think you come out and make that comment unless you�re already dropped tbh.

Foakes and Rashid our for Broad and Leach would be my guess. Rashid might survive the series since he�s one of Smiths pet projects.

Word is they're considering Denly for Foakes so he can slot in at 3 (and allow Rashid to be replaced by a pacer given the pitch is apparently looking green).

SD · « **Reply #434 on:** January 30, 2019, 12:14:27 AM »

It would appear that the captain and coach feel they need 6 bowlers to take wickets across 5 days play out here playing on pitches that will start offering something for pace bowlers then dust over as the game moves on. Seems harsh on Foakes if he is the one to make way, but it has been mentioned a fair bit by the management team that they are operating with a squad not just 11 players. So far, everyone bar Bairstow seems to have bought in to it.

Looks like it could be 6 batsman, Ali at 7 then 4 specialist bowlers if Foakes is to miss out. Whatever the selection decisions, it seems to me that it is important to avoid knee jerk reactions. The ODI squad has improved beyond belief during a time that the captain and coach have had a clear idea how they want the team to play, and are prepared to back guys who go out to play that way

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