Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147863 times)

smilley792 · « **Reply #675 on:** February 02, 2019, 08:36:28 PM »

Finish it with a six! Big cross bat over mid wicket!

billyb · « **Reply #676 on:** February 02, 2019, 08:44:57 PM »

Some interesting thoughts on here.

I too wonder if Malan, Vince & Stoneman were really that bad. With Vince it always felt like he was SO close to being brilliant. Is that better than what we have now?

If only Hameed hadn't got injured.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #677 on:** February 02, 2019, 08:46:59 PM »

Not a lot that can be said really about this match in some ways it�s even worse than the last test. As for what, why or how we get better I don�t know. We have played good cricket by being positive over the last 12 months but we don�t seem to have anyone that an innings can be built around or any players that want to really value there wicket.

Bowling wise we need a miracle to appear to replace Anderson & Broad in the next 12/18months as that cupboard looks as bleak as our top order batting stocks at the moment full of military medium stuff and no Xfactor bowling expect maybe Archer

jonny77 · « **Reply #678 on:** February 02, 2019, 08:50:11 PM »

Not a lot you can change in personel for the next match. I'd maybe drop Curran for Woakes, as don't feel these are his conditions. But in terms of the batting, it's down to the same blokes to sort it out, as there aren't really any alternatives out there. Application really when all said and done as they've got talent, but take nothing away from the Windies as they've performed very very well.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #679 on:** February 02, 2019, 08:58:48 PM »

Surely the penny will drop for Root/Bayliss anc Ed Smith that these project players are gonna get the job done. We aren�t good enough to be fielding 3 wicket keepers or Curran who actually offers nothing.

I�ve said previously I like having a pure keeper, but I�d unfortunately drop him and give the gloves back to Bairstow

Burns
Jennings
Denly
Root
Buttler
Bairstow (w/k)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

This isn�t by any means my ideal side but handicapped by the players in the Caribbean. Ahead of the Ashes I�d only have Root, Stokes and Anderson as locked in. The rest of the positions are fair game for anyone in form.

Lastly we may well have ditched Ian Bell too soon...

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #680 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:11:41 PM »

Root
�We will learn from this�

Baylis
Was this a good wicket? �I�ll leave that to the match referee�.. so you�re basically blaming the wicket then you clown
� we need to learn from this�.. this has been happening for 3-4 years now !!

No honesty yet again

csnew · « **Reply #681 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:14:30 PM »

Well done to West Indies. Fantastic application and fight. Totally hammered England

Bravo nearly batted longer himself than the entire England side in the 2nd innings

csnew · « **Reply #682 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:15:41 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 02, 2019, 09:11:41 PM

Root
�We will learn from this�

Baylis
Was this a good wicket? �I�ll leave that to the match referee�.. so you�re basically blaming the wicket then you clown
� we need to learn from this�.. this has been happening for 3-4 years now !!

No honesty yet again

Easier to blame the pitch. Bet they�ll go back to the excuse of lack of preparation too

Simple - no mental application and too many odi sloggers

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #683 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:17:03 PM »

Burns - deserves a run but doesn�t look upto it
Space
Space
Root
Buttler (seems to be batting ok)
Foakes (best gloveman and deserves a run)
Woakes (avg the same or more than stokes remember with bat/ball
Stokes
Moeen
Broad
Anderson

Bairstow is shocking now.. avg 26 is it over 12-18 months and 32 overall.. plays the same ODI method regardless.. he�s now under study to Foakes
Curran isn�t good enough so send him packing
Woakes is 3rd best seamer so he�s in. His batting and bowling is on par with stokes and stokes isn�t performing so he�s either dropped or sent in down the order rather than continuing to pretend he�s a top six bat

Quite simply. The lions are all one day hitters.. clarke, duckett Etc Etc so who in county cricket is known to bat long ?? Mitchell ?? Whoever it is, get them in

Mentality change needed and every player in the top 7 told to bat long, screw SR etc.. just occupy the crease

Buzz · « **Reply #684 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:19:04 PM »

The top order batting has been awful for too long and finally we have been found out.

The issue is that the problems stem from the administration trying to kill the championship. This isn't going to change until there is huge change at the ECB.

billyb · « **Reply #685 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:26:53 PM »

Gary Ballance still has an average of 37.45 in test cricket, behind only Ben Foakes and Joe Root in the current crop of players.

jonny77 · « **Reply #686 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:36:22 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 02, 2019, 09:17:03 PM

Burns - deserves a run but doesn�t look upto it
Space
Space
Root
Buttler (seems to be batting ok)
Foakes (best gloveman and deserves a run)
Woakes (avg the same or more than stokes remember with bat/ball
Stokes
Moeen
Broad
Anderson

Bairstow is shocking now.. avg 26 is it over 12-18 months and 32 overall.. plays the same ODI method regardless.. he�s now under study to Foakes
Curran isn�t good enough so send him packing
Woakes is 3rd best seamer so he�s in. His batting and bowling is on par with stokes and stokes isn�t performing so he�s either dropped or sent in down the order rather than continuing to pretend he�s a top six bat

Quite simply. The lions are all one day hitters.. clarke, duckett Etc Etc so who in county cricket is known to bat long ?? Mitchell ?? Whoever it is, get them in

Mentality change needed and every player in the top 7 told to bat long, screw SR etc.. just occupy the crease

Bloody hell mate, hope someone's taken your shoelaces out!

So you're batting Foakes at 6 above Stokes and saying he's a better bat than Bairstow???! Big shout that. I like Foakes but Bairstow was the top scoring England bat in this test and did nothing wrong with the gloves, would be harsh to drop him. Also, not sure Basylis blamed the pitch, he did acknowledge that they'd underperformed but nobody could say that pitch was great. (I'm not using that as an excuse tho).

Harsh on Curran too. Did you think he wasn't good enough when he was saving us against India? He's young and conditions haven't suited him, wrong selection that's all. Doesn't mean be should be written off IMO.

jamferg · « **Reply #687 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:44:06 PM »

I�m a Sheffield lad but Root is not a captain in any sense .. let him Bat where he wants .. find a new selection team but his captaincy is woeful

ppccopener · « **Reply #688 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:47:05 PM »

Yes Curran has a big future but probably as the last seamer, he needs swing and there's not much of it in the last two tests. He's only medium pace so needs movement thru the air.. There's potential with the bat for him maybe more than his bowling

The tricky thing is what Robert Croft is saying now on BBC, will they continue to pick 3 keepers?

I think Foakes is a good enough bat, backed up by good FC figures to show he should be keeping.

But do England need to decide on one of them to get another bowler or batter in? That's the tough question.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #689 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:48:52 PM »

We seem to have blurred the lines between aggressive batting and reckless batting. When Australia rules the scene back between the 90s-00s they where aggressive but they was structure to their batting. Hayden, Ponting and Gilchrist in particular devastating but they could dig in and bat time when needed.

We've decided come hell or high water we are gonna smash it regardless of the conditions or the opponents bowling abilities. You have to be able to wind you neck in and bat time. It's not possible to pin the ears back and blast it every bloody time

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