Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147832 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #690 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:52:01 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 02, 2019, 09:47:05 PM

The tricky thing is what Robert Croft is saying now on BBC, will they continue to pick 3 keepers?

I think Foakes is a good enough bat, backed up by good FC figures to show he should be keeping.

Since Root became captain Moeen's averaging 23, so what's more ridiculous is that Foakes ended up at 8 in the this series. In fact Moeen hasn't scored a century since 2016.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #691 on:** February 02, 2019, 09:57:25 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on February 02, 2019, 09:36:22 PM

Bloody hell mate, hope someone's taken your shoelaces out!

So you're batting Foakes at 6 above Stokes and saying he's a better bat than Bairstow???! Big shout that. I like Foakes but Bairstow was the top scoring England bat in this test and did nothing wrong with the gloves, would be harsh to drop him. Also, not sure Basylis blamed the pitch, he did acknowledge that they'd underperformed but nobody could say that pitch was great. (I'm not using that as an excuse tho).

Harsh on Curran too. Did you think he wasn't good enough when he was saving us against India? He's young and conditions haven't suited him, wrong selection that's all. Doesn't mean be should be written off IMO.

Bairstow avg 32 .. 26 over the last 12-@8 months., that�s over rated.. plus, he�s playing the same innings each game.. go out and attack.. he�s showing no willingness to adapt.. Foakes doesn�t deserve to be dropped as he�s only just in and avg more than Bairstow.. why is Bairstow undroppabke ??

Curran.. is he one of the best 3 seam bowlers ?? No
Is he the best all rounder ? No
So he�s dropped too

Stokes.. avg circa 25 over the last 12-18 months.. Foakes high 30�s .. also, Stokes isn�t showing application etc.. drop him down the order.

six and out · « **Reply #692 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:01:33 PM »

Quote from: jamferg on February 02, 2019, 09:44:06 PM

I�m a Sheffield lad but Root is not a captain in any sense .. let him Bat where he wants .. find a new selection team but his captaincy is woeful

THIS!!

Everything stems from the captain, simple as that. Brand of cricket rubbish, awful selection, bad fields as well etc.....

Root is not a captain, he's our best batsman. No disgrace in not being a good captain, it's just not for some people.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #693 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:02:30 PM »

Im not sure why people keep banging on about 3 keepers. Ive only ever seen one man wearing the gloves for England. Buttler and Bairstow are playing as BATSMEN. And should be judged as such. If they aren't performing with the bat and a replacement is banging the door down they go, simple as that

Piss poor by England again with the bat.

rickjames · « **Reply #694 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:06:34 PM »

Recall Ian Bell f*** it

jonny77 · « **Reply #695 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:16:47 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 02, 2019, 09:57:25 PM

Bairstow avg 32 .. 26 over the last 12-@8 months., that�s over rated.. plus, he�s playing the same innings each game.. go out and attack.. he�s showing no willingness to adapt.. Foakes doesn�t deserve to be dropped as he�s only just in and avg more than Bairstow.. why is Bairstow undroppabke ??

Curran.. is he one of the best 3 seam bowlers ?? No
Is he the best all rounder ? No
So he�s dropped too

Stokes.. avg circa 25 over the last 12-18 months.. Foakes high 30�s .. also, Stokes isn�t showing application etc.. drop him down the order.

Not saying he's undroppable but he outscored every other English batsmen this test, does that not count for anything?! Not sure we should be keeping anyone in just because they've only just entered they side either. I'd play them both next test as we don't have any other batting options, as you've just pointed out by dropping Bairstow and Denley then leaving a space at 2 and 3.

billyb · « **Reply #696 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:24:29 PM »

For me, Woakes comes in, and Curran is dropped. Curran is going to be a really good player for us in the future, but it isn't quite his time just yet. He is a bit of a luxury pick right now. Woakes is a more skilled, consistent bowler and a solid batsman, with a recent test 100.

I see the argument for dropping Foakes in the terms of balance, but he has recently scored runs and looks fluent at the moment. Given our predicament, I don't think we can lose him.

I'm a massive fan of Bairstow, but he isn't a No.3, is he? So he has to move down the order.

Root is our star batsman, but isn't producing runs of late, and his captaincy needs to be seriously questioned. Since playing India at Lords, Root averages 29.05. That isn't good enough for our star man. His captaincy isn't good enough to make that drop acceptable. His insistence on batting 4 also creates big problems with the batting order. Previously he had been able to say he was scoring runs at 4- but now he isn't. I would take the captaincy off him, and put him at 3. He can be vice-Captain (smooth transition over), but tell him we need him to break Cook's records, to fight Kohli and Williamson for acclaim. In our current situation, him scoring runs is vital.

Buttler becomes the captain, dumping Root's aggressive Test cricket philosophy. That in itself is virtually an oxymoron. Nice idea, but it didn't work. The coach's job comes in to question too. A big problem with Root's captaincy is that he isn't getting the most out of a brilliantly talented group of players, almost like Mourinho at United. That isn't good enough, and so it is time for him to focus on his batting.

The side now looks much better.

You've got our best 4 seam bowlers, a good spinner and then Root/Denly to help. That is plenty of bowling.
You've given Buttler responsibility in terms of captaincy, and freed Root to be a world-beater. Bairstow can now do what he does best against a more tired attack. Woakes, Stokes and Ali give plenty of depth to the batting. We have our best keeper who is a very good bat too.

Burns
Denly
Root (VC)
Buttler (C)
Bairstow
Foakes (WK)
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Broad
Anderson

hammersjr · « **Reply #697 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:39:23 PM »

Let�s face it we weren�t prepared for the windies to be as good as they are and we also weren�t prepared for those conditons, the extra pace that the Caribbean and Australia has we have historically struggled in. If this was a home series for us it would be a completely different story but the fact is most likely any team we fielded would struggle out there right now.

I personally do get frustrated that we end up hammering our team after only two test matches yet we�ve won against India and Sri Lanka comfortably in our last two series. That�s what I can�t understand it when people call for half of the team to be binned, especially without replacements who�d be any better.

Jennings, Bairstow and Foakes all scored hundreds against Sri Lanka yet according to some they need to go completely, Root binned as captain but as mentioned he�s just captained the team to two comfortable series wins, then there�s Curran who got man of the series against India in the summer but he�s not good enough now either?! Is it just too much to support the guys on the field?!

cricketbadger · « **Reply #698 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:43:40 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 02, 2019, 09:57:25 PM

Bairstow avg 32 .. 26 over the last 12-@8 months., that�s over rated.. plus, he�s playing the same innings each game.. go out and attack.. he�s showing no willingness to adapt.. Foakes doesn�t deserve to be dropped as he�s only just in and avg more than Bairstow.. why is Bairstow undroppabke ??

Curran.. is he one of the best 3 seam bowlers ?? No
Is he the best all rounder ? No
So he�s dropped too

Stokes.. avg circa 25 over the last 12-18 months.. Foakes high 30�s .. also, Stokes isn�t showing application etc.. drop him down the order.

I believe he is undroppable in this side and amongst these other batsmen because he simply has more ability than the majority of them.
Yes makes mistakes, but everyone does.

billyb · « **Reply #699 on:** February 02, 2019, 10:50:32 PM »

Quote from: hammersjr on February 02, 2019, 10:39:23 PM

I personally do get frustrated that we end up hammering our team after only two test matches yet we�ve won against India and Sri Lanka comfortably in our last two series. That�s what I can�t understand it when people call for half of the team to be binned, especially without replacements who�d be any better.

Jennings, Bairstow and Foakes all scored hundreds against Sri Lanka yet according to some they need to go completely, Root binned as captain but as mentioned he�s just captained the team to two comfortable series wins, then there�s Curran who got man of the series against India in the summer but he�s not good enough now either?! Is it just too much to support the guys on the field?!

Jennings is a good batsman in the subcontinent, but has repeatedly struggled against pace. The only players with a worse average than him (who've played more than two tests) are Westley and Vince. That is poor. He does a good job in Asia though! I don't think Bairstow or Foakes should be dropped. They make our strongest 11 at the moment, even if Bairstow is out of form/getting out in aggravating ways.

Curran is going to be a really good player for us, but he hasn't bowled well enough to keep his place in the next test. For that reason, Woakes- with more experience and guile- comes in. Curran isn't being kicked to Timbuktu- he'll be around the group, and will learn from this experience. He could be in our best side in the Ashes, who knows?

As for Root's captaincy, he just isn't scoring the runs and isn't getting the best out of his players. He should be vice-captain, still in the leadership group... but we need his runs more than anything else.

hammersjr · « **Reply #700 on:** February 02, 2019, 11:05:28 PM »

Quote from: billyb on February 02, 2019, 10:50:32 PM

Jennings is a good batsman in the subcontinent, but has repeatedly struggled against pace. The only players with a worse average than him (who've played more than two tests) are Westley and Vince. That is poor. He does a good job in Asia though! I don't think Bairstow or Foakes should be dropped. They make our strongest 11 at the moment, even if Bairstow is out of form/getting out in aggravating ways.

Curran is going to be a really good player for us, but he hasn't bowled well enough to keep his place in the next test. For that reason, Woakes- with more experience and guile- comes in. Curran isn't being kicked to Timbuktu- he'll be around the group, and will learn from this experience. He could be in our best side in the Ashes, who knows?

As for Root's captaincy, he just isn't scoring the runs and isn't getting the best out of his players. He should be vice-captain, still in the leadership group... but we need his runs more than anything else.

I agree with you about Jennings but I don�t see Denly scoring any more runs than he would have in this series. For sure our opener when in Asia but who replaces him in other conditions should be the biggest question. Also think Curran isn�t suited to these conditions but once Olly Stone went down injured I don�t see a better alternative, Woakes pitches it up and swings it at 85 max, not someone who can bang it in at 90 like the Windies have.

Disagree about Root, he�s got out unluckily a few times and have been outplayed by the better team in two tests but we shouldn�t make a knee jerk reaction to get rid of him, are we sure someone else could do better is my question.

Anyways who�d be a selector/coach/captain! Much easier on here for sure.

jonny77 · « **Reply #701 on:** February 02, 2019, 11:41:24 PM »

Taking the captaincy of Root is way too much of a knee jerk reaction, especially suggesting to give it to Butler. Surely if you were giving it to someone to provide more grit and determination to bat time, this wouldn't fit with Butlers natural tendency to be aggressive? This isn't solely down to any single player, they have to take responsibility as as group and improve, simple as that in my view.

billyb · « **Reply #702 on:** February 03, 2019, 12:01:39 AM »

I'd love to know the real story from within the England camp.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #703 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:28:49 AM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on February 02, 2019, 10:02:30 PM

Im not sure why people keep banging on about 3 keepers. Ive only ever seen one man wearing the gloves for England. Buttler and Bairstow are playing as BATSMEN. And should be judged as such. If they aren't performing with the bat and a replacement is banging the door down they go, simple as that

Totally agree with this.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #704 on:** February 03, 2019, 09:00:51 AM »

How many innings will some of these batsmen play in first-class - *cough* 'red ball' - cricket between now and the Ashes series?

Not many.

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