Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147790 times)

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #720 on:** February 03, 2019, 02:59:55 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 03, 2019, 10:43:15 AM

Woakes is not a world beater Alan but if you look at our team do we need him as a reliable seamer who can bat lower down?
We need someone who can bang out a length consistently.

He was not fit for the last match but on the basis he is fit....Anderson, broad and stokes are getting bowled into the ground by Root.....that cannot continue.

It would mean we only play one spinner, but would it help the team long term for most of the conditions we face?

Certainly he's a seamer who can bat lower down but will he make an impact with the ball he's a good team man and unlike certain England bowlers who believe they know better will do what his Captain asks him to do. Also do agree re Anderson and Broad but the wickets haven't suited young Curran or Jimmy just wonder though with the series won for the final test will the windies bother to turn up
Ideally long term for balance you need two spinners a leg and off spinner both who can take wickets and if not taking wickets block ends to give your seamers a breather but you also need to be able to read a wicket and select the team accordingly if your not sure maybe
as already mentioned when playing outside the UK take a look at the makeup of the opposition.

ppccopener · « **Reply #721 on:** February 03, 2019, 03:15:54 PM »

Yes Anderson and Curran need some movement thru the air, actually Jimmy has bowled very well without a great deal of luck, as has Broad in the one match he played.

Curran is def a prospect but at his pace needs swing thru the air, he's a good batsman too-potentially.i thought Curran bowled badly in the first test but he is not an opening bowler and it showed in that game.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #722 on:** February 03, 2019, 03:35:07 PM »

By all accounts England are trying to develop Currans batting they want him to become a top six batsman for all conditions who bowls

six and out · « **Reply #723 on:** February 03, 2019, 03:50:21 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 03, 2019, 03:35:07 PM

By all accounts England are trying to develop Currans batting they want him to become a top six batsman for all conditions who bowls

I don't think England are trying to develop his batting but I do think Curran is getting selected because of it.

We aren't thinking who's going to get 20 wickets, we are thinking who can bat well out of the allrounders and back us up just in case. Which isn't a great way to select a team.

Rob Key said something on Sky yesterday..... We have stopped selecting, our 6 best batsman, our best keeper and our 4 best bowlers to bowl the opposition out twice.

six and out · « **Reply #724 on:** February 03, 2019, 04:00:30 PM »

Jason Holder just been suspended for the 3rd Test because of slow over rate in the last test.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #725 on:** February 03, 2019, 04:06:24 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 03, 2019, 03:35:07 PM

By all accounts England are trying to develop Currans batting they want him to become a top six batsman for all conditions who bowls

A few years ago there was a pair of left arm swing bowlers NZ's Franklin and India's Pathan pretty good bowlers. Both lost their way with the ball when their respective teams insisted they should focus on their batting. Both faded away rather than becoming 'proper all rounder'.

Curran's bowling is vastly inferior to the above mentioned and his batting is being over hyped. Doesn't even have a fc century yet.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #726 on:** February 03, 2019, 07:36:41 PM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25915217/odi-mindset-england-poor-test-batting-trevor-bayliss

Have a word with yourself dickhead!!!

Do your job as a coach, bang a few heads together and try and solve the problem.

Don�t just state the bleedin� obvious about a problem that�s happened on your watch!!

ppccopener · « **Reply #727 on:** February 03, 2019, 07:49:28 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on February 03, 2019, 07:36:41 PM

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25915217/odi-mindset-england-poor-test-batting-trevor-bayliss

Have a word with yourself dickhead!!!

Do your job as a coach, bang a few heads together and try and solve the problem.

Don�t just state the bleedin� obvious about a problem that�s happened on your watch!!

Totally. He is quoted in the guardian as saying there may of been a mis understanding in the approach for our successful one team batting method and the test one.

Well I'm sorry but two different forms of the game needs two different methods. I'd also question the batting coach..

The role and influence of any coach is open to question but you would think at the very least they are drumming into the test side you can't blast everything and defensive techniques have to be worked on. There's no way they should be any 'mis-understanding in the two different formats.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #728 on:** February 03, 2019, 07:54:14 PM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/02/03/england-batsmen-called-tocrisis-meeting-astrevor-bayliss-looks/

I mean, if this is true then Jesus. They don�t know how to bat in tests ?? Most of these guys have 20+ caps !! If they don�t know by now they never will

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #729 on:** February 03, 2019, 08:20:54 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 03, 2019, 02:49:22 PM

that's not my job, that's Ed Smith's.

A line that ought to be used more often on this forum?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #730 on:** February 03, 2019, 08:24:46 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 03, 2019, 03:50:21 PM

Rob Key said something on Sky yesterday..... We have stopped selecting, our 6 best batsman, our best keeper and our 4 best bowlers to bowl the opposition out twice.

Crikey! How much is he getting paid to come out with stuff like that?

six and out · « **Reply #731 on:** February 03, 2019, 09:29:09 PM »

Another excellent article from George Dobell

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25908096/outclassed-fought-...-england-boy-racers-run-road

FattusCattus · « **Reply #732 on:** February 04, 2019, 10:38:04 AM »

Yes it is, and i think this bit sums it all up:

Too many England players are putting too low a value on their wickets. Buttler (who was punished for playing across the line) has one century from 30 Tests; Bairstow (who missed a lavish drive) has been bowled 29 times in his Test career - that's 29 times out of 102 dismissals; more than any Test batsman this decade - and Stokes' Test average is now down to 32.88. Stokes (bowled off an inside edge while driving) hasn't scored a Test century since the incident in Bristol and has averaged 24.83 in that period; it was 35.72 before.

Moeen Ali, meanwhile, has seen his Test batting average drop to 30.28

mo_town · « **Reply #733 on:** February 04, 2019, 11:00:46 AM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on February 04, 2019, 10:38:04 AM

Yes it is, and i think this bit sums it all up:

Too many England players are putting too low a value on their wickets. Buttler (who was punished for playing across the line) has one century from 30 Tests; Bairstow (who missed a lavish drive) has been bowled 29 times in his Test career - that's 29 times out of 102 dismissals; more than any Test batsman this decade - and Stokes' Test average is now down to 32.88. Stokes (bowled off an inside edge while driving) hasn't scored a Test century since the incident in Bristol and has averaged 24.83 in that period; it was 35.72 before.

Moeen Ali, meanwhile, has seen his Test batting average drop to 30.28

One cant really blame the stroke makers for playing their natural game. The issue is with the selectors in that case, for filling the batting lineup with natural stroke makers. This side worked really well when Cook was around as he used to provide that stability at one end; absorb all the pressure and let others play their natural game. What they need to do is go pick the guy who played the most number of deliveries in county cricket in 2018 and put him in this lineup for balance.

NT50 · « **Reply #734 on:** February 04, 2019, 11:06:06 AM »

I think the most disappointing thing in all this is how completely un-phased Bayliss seems to be. Watching his interviews on sky he just seems to avoid the issue and not take responsibility.

I get the feeling that he's done with test cricket and is just fulfilling his obligations until after the WC.

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