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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #735 on: February 04, 2019, 11:06:44 AM »

'Natural' doesn't come into it. Pretty much the only time some of these guys see a red ball in a match is when they turn up for a Test.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #736 on: February 04, 2019, 11:31:18 AM »

I think the most disappointing thing in all this is how completely un-phased Bayliss seems to be. Watching his interviews on sky he just seems to avoid the issue and not take responsibility.

I get the feeling that he's done with test cricket and is just fulfilling his obligations until after the WC.

Yes it's clear thou from the 'Misunderstanding' they are mixing the two formats hence he has got a lot of the one day side in.

I don't accept myself batsmen cannot adapt from one to the other, and what are the coaches doing?

If our best batsmen are our one day players as well fine...but are we really to believe they cannot adapt for tests?

The one day side is excellent....you get the feeling that's all that matters
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #737 on: February 04, 2019, 05:05:03 PM »

I think the most disappointing thing in all this is how completely un-phased Bayliss seems to be. Watching his interviews on sky he just seems to avoid the issue and not take responsibility.

I get the feeling that he's done with test cricket and is just fulfilling his obligations until after the WC.

First congratulation to West Indies team for wins.

At this point why would Bayliss be worried about test team.  He knows his time is up and the only thing that is left to do is ensure England do well in WC.  If England win WC (big ask) the supporters are going to line up and say what a great coach Bayliss is and everything will be forgotten.  The disappointment and how crap the coach is will start as soon as the team fails to win the Ashes.  If England wins the Ashes Bayliss will be considered the best coach England ever had  :D
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #738 on: February 04, 2019, 07:40:45 PM »

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At this point why would Bayliss be worried about test team.  He knows his time is up and the only thing that is left to do is ensure England do well in WC.  If England win WC (big ask) the supporters are going to line up and say what a great coach Bayliss is and everything will be forgotten.  The disappointment and how crap the coach is will start as soon as the team fails to win the Ashes.  If England wins the Ashes Bayliss will be considered the best coach England ever had  :D

And, at the back of the mind, he'll be thinking you know what, on English pitches with a bit of nip against a team who can't play the moving ball, we shall probably dick them anyway. 
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #739 on: February 04, 2019, 09:38:29 PM »

One cant really blame the stroke makers for playing their natural game. The issue is with the selectors in that case, for filling the batting lineup with natural stroke makers. This side worked really well when Cook was around as he used to provide that stability at one end; absorb all the pressure and let others play their natural game. What they need to do is go pick the guy who played the most number of deliveries in county cricket in 2018 and put him in this lineup for balance.

Much the same with Peterson and co  he had Strauss Cook and Trott providing the stability for the strokemakers
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #740 on: February 04, 2019, 09:44:56 PM »

Much the same with Peterson and co  he had Strauss Cook and Trott providing the stability for the strokemakers

What I wouldn't give to see Trott dig his trench down the pitch en route to a 200 ball half century for England again. Those were the days! :(
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #741 on: February 05, 2019, 08:30:55 AM »

The problem that the selectors and ECB administrators have is that there is a lot that needs to be changed/fixed, not just one or two elements. The good news is that the one day side has improved. If we are very honest with ourselves England haven't been a great test side for a long time. At home we are in the top 3 or 4 sides in the world. Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Mo take plenty of wickets and we don't have to score 400+ to win test matches. Away from home we are pretty abysmal as our record clearly shows. We beat a very, very poor Sri Lankan side (who are being absolutely thrashed by Australia - a side that we think we are superior too) but have pretty much been well beaten whenever we travel. The problem has been there for years and hasn't been really addressed by the ECB. If we really want to focus on Test cricket or at least match our potential in ODI's we need to look at:

1. Split coaches for Test and ODI's/T20's (keep things fresh and give coaches some R&R)
2. Possibly split teams for Test and ODI's (different formats, different skills, give players some rest if they need it)
3. T20's internationals (firstly there are too many of them and it's at saturation point for the public) play a core group of younger players to give them international experience with a sprinkling of 2/3 older players and give players like Root/Stokes/Mo a break from international cricket. T20 internationals should be focused on world cups.
4. Reduce meaningless cricket at the county level. The Nat West blast and now 100 ball format is too much cricket with no chance to work on cricket skills as players are just playing/travelling. What we need are 10-12 quality red ball matches per season, no more than 15 one day matches and no more than 12-14 20/20 matches. I want to see Joe Root facing James Anderson or TKC facing Stuart Broad. I want to see quality matches with more international players who are England qualified playing against each other. Let's make these matches test match and ODI trials. Let's get them on free-to-air television. I'd love to see County matches on tele with a strong Yorkshire (Root, Bairstow etc) against a strong Lancashire side (Anderson, Butler etc.). 
5. Get everyone to buy into the primary objective of making England the best test match and ODI side in the world. Counties may have to make sacrifices such as reduced T20 cricket.
6. Look at our skills shortages (Openers/Top order batsmen, Spin Bowlers, Fast Bowlers bowling over 85 mph) what resources do we need to develop, nurture and go these skills? How do we grow our internal talent?

Not to be pessimistic but our Team has only ever won a single ICC World Cup...ever. What have we changed? Have we ever dominated test cricket for 10 years both home and overseas? If we want to be truly successful then the whole cricketing community in England needs to be solely focused on the success of the England national team, to be honest that is how we are judged as a cricket nation. We are not judged on who has won the T20 blast within the last 5 years.

The good news is that there is no reason why we can't be more successful in all formats of international cricket but attitudes need to change from players, coaches and from ourselves as watchers of the game. Quality over quantity, skills over saturation. A mix of free to air and paid television rights. Let's win test match series home and away, let's win International competitions, sack off the 100 ball completion or just have that only and no blast. We are not India, we don't need a third rate IPL. Lets develop a structure that works for us and let's beat them in a test series over there or in a World Cup final.     

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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #742 on: February 05, 2019, 09:32:23 AM »

What I wouldn't give to see Trott dig his trench down the pitch en route to a 200 ball half century for England again. Those were the days! :(

Yeah with his GM bat dig,scratch, bit more digging, deep breath, nearly done, dig.

And to think it used to annoy some of us at the time, if only the clock could be turned back!
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #743 on: February 07, 2019, 01:00:32 PM »

West indies have recalled Gayle for the ODI series.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25943365/chris-gayle-evin-lewis-back-west-indies-odi-squad

Surprising given he's probably past his best and given he rather play t20 leagues over west indies cricket
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #744 on: February 07, 2019, 01:08:14 PM »

West indies have recalled Gayle for the ODI series.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25943365/chris-gayle-evin-lewis-back-west-indies-odi-squad

Surprising given he's probably past his best and given he rather play t20 leagues over west indies cricket


He's the Universe Boss though, "past his best" or not he'll draw crowds!
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #745 on: February 07, 2019, 01:10:49 PM »

Quite surprising. All he is good for is runs up the order on his day which comes rarely off late.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #746 on: February 07, 2019, 02:39:54 PM »

Quite surprising. All he is good for is runs up the order on his day which comes rarely off late.
Surprising he still gets in the side yes, but what else are opening batsmen supposed to be good for..?
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #747 on: February 07, 2019, 04:10:22 PM »

The pitch 2 days out..... how long do you think we are going to last this time!!!!

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/1093541383372242946?s=19
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #748 on: February 07, 2019, 04:16:17 PM »

How long will we last on anything on this tour more like, where is the Compdog when you need him.  :)

Wood tipped to be in probably two matches too late(with hindsight selection). Knowing his luck the pitch won't have any pace.

The batsmen are just going to have to get stuck in otherwise after an excellent SL tour it's 0-3 here. Let's hope not.
 
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #749 on: February 07, 2019, 05:42:27 PM »

Duckett made a few for the Lions today... good chance for England to get another keeper in the side?
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