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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #150 on: March 27, 2019, 08:30:03 PM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/03/27/mcc-u-turn-ravi-ashwins-mankad-jos-buttler-reflection-think/
MCC have now declared this particular incident against the Spirit of Cricket

The only correct outcome I would suggest.  There is nothing within the spirit of the game with a bowler intentionally holding back his action for purpose of coning the batsman into leaving his ground when the bowler never had any intention of delivering the ball. 

As I have said previously, simply calling a short run if the batsman leaves his crease early would remove the incentive for a bowler to behave as Ashwin said whilst ensuring the batsman gains no advantage.

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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #151 on: March 27, 2019, 09:58:15 PM »

Not really. I was taught to walk with the bowler, watch the bowler and try to leave the crease just as the bowler releases the ball. Nothing has changed. It's just that it is normal now to slide out of the crease watching the batter facing the delivery rather than pay attention to staying in until the ball is released. I don't think you'd teach kids to just casually slide out watching the striking batter so it is more a case of non-strikers being a bit lazy

That is not what I've tried to explain and, as a PE teacher, you teach pupils to walk as the bowler bowls. If they aren't backing up you'd explain that they should be out past the line once the batsman is striking the ball and ready to run. There is a clear difference in this to someone a few metres down the pitch before the bowler has actually bowled. This is also completely different to a bowler pretending to deliver a ball, only to stop mid action in order to catch the non striker out and take his wicket by underhand tactics. This is not laziness by the non striker, it quiet simply cheating by the bowler. I can't believe anyone can see this as a forward step for cricket!
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #152 on: March 27, 2019, 10:07:31 PM »

Ok, but then what is the designated distance you can be out of your crease by before it’s unacceptable?

If being a few meters down is cheating, but being a few cm’s out isn’t, then surely there has to be a set distance that being whitin is ok, otherwise the rule unenforcable.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #153 on: March 27, 2019, 10:07:51 PM »

That is not what I've tried to explain and, as a PE teacher, you teach pupils to walk as the bowler bowls. If they aren't backing up you'd explain that they should be out past the line once the batsman is striking the ball and ready to run. There is a clear difference in this to someone a few metres down the pitch before the bowler has actually bowled. This is also completely different to a bowler pretending to deliver a ball, only to stop mid action in order to catch the non striker out and take his wicket by underhand tactics. This is not laziness by the non striker, it quiet simply cheating by the bowler. I can't believe anyone can see this as a forward step for cricket!
Do you teach them to leave the crease before the bowler has bowled? Because if they don't, they can't be run out.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #154 on: March 27, 2019, 10:57:14 PM »

Ok, but then what is the designated distance you can be out of your crease by before it’s unacceptable?

If being a few meters down is cheating, but being a few cm’s out isn’t, then surely there has to be a set distance that being whitin is ok, otherwise the rule unenforcable.

This is a healthy debate, but here are a few things I have an issue with (in terms of the language being used in this debate):

1. "Its not like the batsman is stealing meters"... this is a game of millimeters ! Even 1mm of advantage, is enough - its the difference between out, and not out

2. Can we please stop saying "stealing" with such a negative connotation? A batsman backing up is NOT a cheat. He is simply trying to get a good start to make his crease at the other end... "stealing" runs is the objective of the game !!! If he gets run out in the process of trying to "steal" a run, then thats fair play to the fielding side. Batsmen are supposed to "steal" runs, and fielders are supposed to stop them. There is no moral compass at play here.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #155 on: March 27, 2019, 11:01:49 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47728182

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'Mankad' dismissal not 'in the spirit of the game' - MCC

Lawmakers the MCC say the "Mankading" dismissal of Jos Buttler in the IPL went against the spirit of cricket.

Non-striking batsmen backing up can be run-out without warning by bowlers - as Buttler was by spinner Ravichandran Ashwin in Jaipur on Monday.

The MCC said on Tuesday that the law was "essential" and added "without it, non-strikers could back up at liberty".

But manager of the Laws Fraser Stewart clarified on Wednesday: "We don't think it was in the spirit of the game."

The dismissal is known as a 'Mankad' after India bowler Vinoo Mankad ran out Australia batsman Bill Brown in 1947.

Law 41.16 states: "If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out".

Replays showed Buttler, who was ousted in similar fashion by Sri Lanka's Sachithra Senanayake in an England one-day international in 2014, was in his ground when Ashwin's foot landed at the crease but then left it before the Kings XI Punjab bowler removed the bails.

Stewart commented: "Having extensively reviewed the incident again and after further reflection, we believe the pause was too long between the time Ashwin reached the crease and the moment it was reasonable to expect the ball would be delivered.

"When Buttler could have reasonably expected the ball to be delivered, he was in his ground.

"It is also unfair, and against the Spirit of Cricket, for non-strikers to leave their ground too early. All these debates wouldn't be necessary if non-strikers remained in their ground until the ball is on its way down the pitch."
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2019, 11:10:00 PM »

MCC proving correct my rule of thumb of ignoring people that invoke the spirit of cricket (or that mysterious 'line' that may or may not have been crossed) because they're normally wrong.

Not really. I was taught to walk with the bowler, watch the bowler and try to leave the crease just as the bowler releases the ball. Nothing has changed. It's just that it is normal now to slide out of the crease watching the batter facing the delivery rather than pay attention to staying in until the ball is released. I don't think you'd teach kids to just casually slide out watching the striking batter so it is more a case of non-strikers being a bit lazy

Walking as the bowler bowls is fine... you don’t have to leave your crease though.. leaving your crease is stealing years. It’s really simple to stay in your crease until you know the ball has been released.

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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2019, 11:27:16 PM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/03/27/mcc-u-turn-ravi-ashwins-mankad-jos-buttler-reflection-think/

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�We believe the pause was too long between the time Ashwin reached the crease and the moment it was reasonable to expect the ball would be delivered,� Stewart explained, referring to Ashwin�s pause in the crease - before pulling out of his delivery and running out Buttler who was backing up. �When Buttler could have reasonably expected the ball to be delivered, he was in his ground.�
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2019, 11:54:25 PM »

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But manager of the Laws Fraser Stewart clarified on Wednesday: "We don't think it was in the spirit of the game.

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we believe the pause was too long between the time Ashwin reached the crease and the moment it was reasonable to expect the ball would be delivered.

But the way the law is worded, it says that there is nothing wrong with this.  If they don't think it's in the spirit of the game, then change the law (again!) to something that reflects the spirit you require.
If the MCC worded the law differently they could specify that the runout must be attempted before the expected point of release.  Thus, waiting for a batsman to leave the crease as Ashwin did, would result in a dead ball.
I hope the MCC are having a good hard look at this, and come up with something better, because until they do, they can expect to see more of it.

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As I have said previously, simply calling a short run if the batsman leaves his crease early would remove the incentive for a bowler to behave as Ashwin said whilst ensuring the batsman gains no advantage.
That would be dumping the batsman's responsibility onto the umpire.  If the batsman stays in his crease, that also removes the bowler's incentive to Mankad.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #159 on: March 28, 2019, 10:36:55 AM »

Already feels like a big game today in terms of their respective seasons, RCB vs MI at Chinnaswarmy. Hoping for a high scoring classic
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #160 on: March 28, 2019, 05:01:33 PM »

Might be the Kohli show right now
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #161 on: March 28, 2019, 05:12:35 PM »

Might be the Kohli show right now

Life, death, Parthiv getting out between 20 and 40, Kohli bossing chases and taxes...

Got a feeling they may rue that AB Drop
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2019, 06:16:32 PM »

Bumrah little bit decent. On a batting paradise and a rampant de Villiers still ends up with 3-20
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2019, 06:43:48 PM »

Kohli rightfully angry, umpires missed a massive no ball
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2019, 07:16:26 PM »

Kohli rightfully angry, umpires missed a massive no ball

Should be angry at himself for getting bounced out
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