Topic: world cup selection (Read 12931 times)

ppccopener · « **on:** April 16, 2019, 01:53:19 PM »

the legend that is Chris Woakes speaks out against Archer's possible WC selection saying the current group is 'tight knit' and has won lots of series. He's right about that.its the best team we have had in living memory, with due respect to the class of 92 that just missed out on the trophy( I remember that not sure most of the forum will). Previously David Willey has expressed similar views to CW.

So what does the forum think? strongest team regardless or is it, or as Woakes says 'morally not right' to parachute in a player only just qualified.

It's a discussion point where they may be differing views, for those that wold suggest Archer replaces Woakes(there will be someone!), that's not really the point....

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2019, 01:59:24 PM »

It's funny than Woakes and Willey are against his selection when it's their places that are most likely under threat...

If the squad was that "tight knit" they'd welcome the rising star who's just been called into the squad with open arms anyway, wouldn't they?

edge · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2019, 02:05:29 PM »

Can't see that Woakes could possibly be under threat given he's been our first choice seamer over the last several years?

Daft not to pick Archer in my view. 1-10 pick themselves and 11 is probably now Wood. Hales as spare bat plus Denly/Dawson leaves 2 spots. Incumbent contenders are Willey and Curran, both specialists in their 5 overs at the end of the innings but never complete 10 overs. Given Archer covers opening swing, pace for the middle overs and death bowling, how could you not pick him ahead of one of those? The 'tight-knit squad', 'these are the players who got us here' type arguments look pretty daft when Tom Curran's only played 13 ODIs and Denly/Dawson even less. Unless Archer is poor against Ireland/Pakistan then he's an obvious pick.

richyreed · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:09:15 PM »

It's international cricket, you have to pick the best team. As long as Archer fits in with the group dynamic (can't see him causing any issues) then he has to play. I would be very surprised if he was left out considering the ECB essentially changed their eligibility criteria so he could be selected.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:11:21 PM »

pick your best side.. if your the one to miss out improve don't cry about it!

six and out · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:32:54 PM »

Archer definitely makes the 15.

He is better than Curran, who didn't play in WI. And there is no point in selecting Denly as Hales will be the spare batter, and again Denly didn't even feature in WI.

Whether he makes the starting XI will massively depend on how he gets on against Pakistan.

ppccopener · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:40:35 PM »

Quote from: six and out on April 16, 2019, 03:32:54 PM

Archer definitely makes the 15.

He is better than Curran, who didn't play in WI. And there is no point in selecting Denly as Hales will be the spare batter, and again Denly didn't even feature in WI.

Whether he makes the starting XI will massively depend on how he gets on against Pakistan.

if you look at our bowling thou, we get hit for quite a few runs, the wickets should be goods over here, and I think myself there is one spot.it's not Woakes thou he's a banker. Willey and Curran look most likely.

I still think the side with the best bowling attack will go far in the tournament, you cannot chase 350 every game it's not realistic.

As @edge says, Archer has pace and can bowl at the death.....

six and out · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2019, 04:02:58 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on April 16, 2019, 03:40:35 PM

if you look at our bowling thou, we get hit for quite a few runs, the wickets should be goods over here, and I think myself there is one spot.it's not Woakes thou he's a banker. Willey and Curran look most likely.

I still think the side with the best bowling attack will go far in the tournament, you cannot chase 350 every game it's not realistic.

As @edge says, Archer has pace and can bowl at the death.....

Look I would have Archer straight into the XI but you mustn't forget that he has never played a game with or for Morgan. Which is why I say about the Pakistan series being so important.

SD · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2019, 04:36:14 PM »

Pretty poor attitude from Woakes in my opinion. This isn't a University social XI. You pick your best squad. No one is entitled to a place in the team

Jordansh · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2019, 04:42:55 PM »

Think there�s an argument for picking your core group of players

That being said, this is the World Cup, not a Sunday 2nd XI, you�ve got to pick your best team, if Archer takes poles and scores runs in the warm up games, think you�ve got to pick him

csnew · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2019, 04:50:41 PM »

Morgan has hinted archer will be given a shot.

Manormanic · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2019, 05:31:46 PM »

Quote from: six and out on April 16, 2019, 04:02:58 PM

Look I would have Archer straight into the XI but you mustn't forget that he has never played a game with or for Morgan. Which is why I say about the Pakistan series being so important.

Watched Archer give Morgan a right going over in a Championship match at Lords last year so they're probably acquainted.

fros23 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2019, 07:01:32 PM »

Quote from: SD on April 16, 2019, 04:36:14 PM

Pretty poor attitude from Woakes in my opinion. This isn't a University social XI. You pick your best squad. No one is entitled to a place in the team

Poor attitude to just read the clickbait headline and not the full article

SD · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2019, 08:37:28 PM »

Quote from: fros23 on April 16, 2019, 07:01:32 PM

Poor attitude to just read the clickbait headline and not the full article

Indeed, and having read the full article this morning I was unimpressed by his attitude. Selection has nothing to do with him and all players have to accept that England has a competitive pool of players to select from and you have to earn selection rather than feeling that you are entitled to be there

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2019, 10:13:26 AM »

no archer,

morgan
ali
bairstow
buttler
T curran
denly
hales
plunkett
rashid
root
roy
stokes
willey
woakes
wood

i think plunkett is a lucky boy! id have taken archer over him, although that may change following the ODIs pre-world cup

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