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rickjames

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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2019, 08:16:26 PM »
I don't remember him ever being in the pecking order in the first place...
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2019, 09:25:45 PM »
Quote from: rickjames on September 23, 2019, 08:16:26 PM
I don't remember him ever being in the pecking order in the first place...

The CBF pecking order. Seriously, lots of people were picking / pecking him this time last year. He'd just moved to Lancashire from Northants.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2019, 10:59:30 PM »
Gleeson did get picked for the Lions and do quite well around that time didn't he? Mad as the Lions selection can be, it shows he was at least somewhere on the pecking order.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2019, 11:25:19 PM »
Bairstow has been mediocre for all but one year in his Test career. He’s can have no complaints about being axed.

Aside from 2016, he averages 28 in his remaining 50 odd test - which is pathetic
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2019, 02:38:10 AM »
Some interesting selections but the omission of David Willey from the T20 squad is strange. Chris Jordan is a great fielder but Willey is by far the better batsman and arguably a better bowler too. Mind you I don't think he's been helped by poor Yorkshire have been this season and their rotating doors policy to selection each match. 
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2019, 09:24:15 AM »
Quite surprised Bairstow hasn't exploded in the media somewhere - mind you, that might have been one of the things Smith and Titch wanted to talk to him about.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2019, 09:45:33 AM »
Quote from: Lumsden on September 24, 2019, 02:38:10 AM
Some interesting selections but the omission of David Willey from the T20 squad is strange. Chris Jordan is a great fielder but Willey is by far the better batsman and arguably a better bowler too. Mind you I don't think he's been helped by poor Yorkshire have been this season and their rotating doors policy to selection each match.

I don't know if Willey would even have been available - I believe his wife had a tricky pregnancy this Summer, and Yorkshire were certainly not selecting him for away games on that basis for a lot of the year.  Can't blame the bloke for wanting to be around in those circumstances.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2019, 10:25:38 AM »
Quote from: Manormanic on September 24, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
I don't know if Willey would even have been available - I believe his wife had a tricky pregnancy this Summer, and Yorkshire were certainly not selecting him for away games on that basis for a lot of the year.  Can't blame the bloke for wanting to be around in those circumstances.

He did play some away games didn't he? certainly played the notts game at trent bridge? and im pretty sure he played at Queens Park vs derby? although they're not massive trips
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2019, 10:30:18 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on September 24, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
He did play some away games didn't he? certainly played the notts game at trent bridge? and im pretty sure he played at Queens Park vs derby? although they're not massive trips

Sorry, I was referring to the Championship games.  Insert gag about "proper creekeeet" here...
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2019, 10:45:16 AM »
Quote from: Manormanic on September 24, 2019, 10:30:18 AM
Sorry, I was referring to the Championship games.  Insert gag about "proper creekeeet" here...

Fair enough! And it is proper cricket ;)
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2019, 10:10:16 PM »
I'm sorry but is anybody else disappointed/ concerned about the appointment of Darren Gough as the bowling consultant for the tour? I'm not a pessimist and I hope I'm proved wrong but this is nagging me.

To me the appointment of Silverwood was slightly strange when there were other coaches with more international experience but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. His appointment of Gough, however, smacks to me of another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. No coaching experience whatsoever but now the bowling coach for the international team? Like I say I very much hope there are sound reasons for dong this but from the outside looking in, it looks a lot like 'I always admired Darren and he was a decent bowler, maybe he should be coach' - We will not find another Troy Cooley with this attitude.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2019, 10:12:20 PM »
Isn’t he a ‘bowling consultant’ not the actual bowling coach
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2019, 10:24:36 PM »
Can't really see an issue with it tbf. Loads of experience as an international bowler and its only a short term deal. I'm sure he'll offer something to the seamers.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2019, 10:56:27 PM »
Maybe he’ll teach them to bowl with their tongue hanging out?

I’m not happy with the way the England set up is going... Giles, Silverwood, Gough... all names from an era where England played rubbish test cricket and usually got walloped. Who’s next? Ronnie Irani?
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2019, 11:15:47 PM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/chris-silverwood-england-head-coach-profile-ecb-trevor-bayliss-ashley-giles-a9177281.html

Back to back titles with Essex and positive noises from some Essex players in the articke abv on his style and man mmanagement says to me he's earned it. He's an English coach who's had success at CC level and been around the side already, so a logical progression and one which should be applauded in my book.

Obviously time will tell as to whether it'll be successful, but I like the fact there's a pathway there for good young coaches.

Goughs just there as a stop gap by the sounds of it to offer some support. They'll look for a full time bowling coach after the winter you'd think.
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