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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #270 on: November 29, 2019, 02:06:05 AM »

Err, BS decisions

Lol how many decisions been in Englands favour this year alone you don't look at that.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #271 on: November 29, 2019, 02:22:00 AM »

I've had enough of this. Broad and Woakes should take the new ball. Archer should be used as an impact bowler with short, sharp spells. Curran and Stokes offer something a bit different. You still need a spinner... otherwise Root ends up bowling before lunch(!). I'm sorry, Root- but your time as captain is up.

Woakes has two at least. Hope he gets 5!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #272 on: November 29, 2019, 02:30:38 AM »

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Archer
Broad

Curran, Crawley etc next in line.
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« Reply #273 on: November 29, 2019, 07:27:14 AM »

Great day for NZ after being put in. England probably not made the most of conditions and with stokes unlikely to bowl with his knee injury.
Bet they wished they played a spinner now
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #274 on: November 29, 2019, 08:41:30 AM »

Awful day, which would have likely been worse if the weather hadn’t intervened. On the plus side, the forecast for the next few days isn’t great, so I’d give England only a 72.3% chance of losing.

I have run out of patience with Ed Smith. He needs to go, and be replaced by someone who actually watches county cricket, and doesn’t think he’s intellectually superior to everybody around him and therefore thinks every squad selection is a mark of his genius. On the downside, that likely means we’d hear his smug tones back on TMS, and probably James ‘Cliché’ Taylor too.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #275 on: November 29, 2019, 11:28:05 AM »

The ECB abandoned their focus on test cricket a decade ago. Junior coaching is set up to produce white ball players, ECB pathways are set up to produce white ball players, the county schedule is set up to produce white ball players.

Its been that way for some time. A decade ago I was told by an ECB rep at a coaching event that we shouldn't teach the forward defence and the awayswinger anymore as it was a waste of a talented players time. Teach them the paddle sweep and the knuckleball instead, he said - our focus should be to maximise their revenue earning potential, which means getting them an IPL contract for a season.

Young batsmen no longer go off to spend the winter in grade cricket or the Ranji trophy to learn how to bat all day against the turning ball or short stuff on bouncy pitches. If they go anywhere its on a T20 jolly with the Lions. More likely they stay at home and hit line drives against bowling machines. And we're supposed to be surprised that they can't win tests away from home any more?

You can't suddenly turn that around and become "good" at test cricket again overnight when you have made no attempt to coach a single young cricketer how to play test cricket for the last decade. It would take another decade to reverse the structural and operational changes that the ECB have put in place.

But guess what? For all their lip service and spin to how much of "a priority" test cricket is, they have absolutely no intention of doing that.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #276 on: November 29, 2019, 03:00:36 PM »

I have run out of patience with Ed Smith. He needs to go, and be replaced by someone who actually watches county cricket, and doesn’t think he’s intellectually superior to everybody around him and therefore thinks every squad selection is a mark of his genius. On the downside, that likely means we’d hear his smug tones back on TMS, and probably James ‘Cliché’ Taylor too.

Have to agree with this.  England's selection was briefly spot on during the Flower era, not just because of the consistency that achievement allowed but because left field choices (Tremlett in Australia when he had hardly played the season before) made mostly perfect sense. 

The last four year cycle has been awful.  Yes, the one day side has done incredibly well - but you would say that that has an element of "inspite of" rather than "because of" when it comes down to the powers that be - after all, England started with the bounty of six huge hitters (Hales, Roy, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes, Ali) and added another in Bairstow which, when allied to the fact that all of their bowlers can bat, made them as near sure things as you can get int eh format.

In the longer form, what have we managed?  Over four years, we have probably only got two players who have really improved - Stokes and Woakes - whilst key players have gotten old (Anderson, Broad, arguably Woakes) or dropped off (Root) and those coming into the team have three game honeymoon's then tail off remarkably.  For this tour, a squad of 15 contained two players they clearly had no intention of selecting, but they didn't bother to bring a second experienced keeper so they've ended up with a young lad who, whilst he seemed to do okay yesterday, is not a regular and who, as a batsman, has shown nerves in adjusting to the Test game and ought to have been left to it.  They have a strike bowler who is bowled into the ground, a workhorse given little work, a captain whose batting is being adversely affected, a keeper who wouldn't look great in club cricket and a ginger allrounder who looks like the side is getting really heavy....
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #277 on: November 29, 2019, 07:19:32 PM »

Yesterday was a day that demonstrates the fine margins at the top level.  The decision to overturn the Taylor LBW was farcical and for the second game running Stokes has been punished for putting down a catch.  Take 75 runs off the score, add two wickets and get the chance to bowl at the lower middle order and it becomes a very good day. 
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #278 on: November 29, 2019, 09:32:03 PM »

Come on Jofra, wind it up!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #279 on: November 29, 2019, 09:38:08 PM »

Latham gone! Left a straight one!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #280 on: November 29, 2019, 09:47:38 PM »

Young batsmen no longer go off to spend the winter in grade cricket or the Ranji trophy to learn how to bat all day against the turning ball or short stuff on bouncy pitches. If they go anywhere its on a T20 jolly with the Lions. More likely they stay at home and hit line drives against bowling machines. And we're supposed to be surprised that they can't win tests away from home any more?

There are loads of young Englishmen playing grade cricket every season still. Infact every single batsman in the test squad barring Buttler has spent time playing grade cricket off the top of my head. Young batsmen have never gone over and played in the Ranji trophy.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #281 on: November 29, 2019, 10:02:17 PM »

Full time keeper might have taken that  :D. Was bound to happen wasn’t it
Can’t afford to drop watling
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #282 on: November 29, 2019, 10:03:30 PM »

Full time keeper might have taken that  :D. Was bound to happen wasn’t it
Can’t afford to drop watling

Definitely a drop. Commentators being way too kind.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #283 on: November 29, 2019, 10:10:02 PM »

Are we watching the same game?

That didn't carry and Pope isn't exactly stood miles back! Would a "proper" keeper have been stood closer and taken it? Maybe, but putting that as a drop against Pope is a bit harsh
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #284 on: November 29, 2019, 10:19:27 PM »

Are we watching the same game?

That didn't carry and Pope isn't exactly stood miles back! Would a "proper" keeper have been stood closer and taken it? Maybe, but putting that as a drop against Pope is a bit harsh

He was on his heels and looked away at the most important moment. He should be standing up to Curran... he’s bowling mid-70s!
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