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alexhilly1492

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #510 on: January 03, 2020, 04:02:26 PM »

Very nice 50 from Sir Ollie Pope.

Swapping Diamonds for Sirens??  :D
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #511 on: January 03, 2020, 04:03:45 PM »

This team doesn't deserve a player like Pope. A disgraceful day yet again. All talk, no action
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #512 on: January 03, 2020, 04:05:03 PM »

Well done Ollie Pope!

What are people's thoughts on Sam Northeast - 30 now but read somewhere he has averaged over 50 in the county champ for the last three years. As we have seen it doesn't guarantee test performance but do we think he deserves a try?

Northeast left Kent for Hampshire to push his case for an England call up. He was immediately put into the Lions squad, and performed solidly. His weight of runs in first class cricket has been consistent proving he's a he's a reliable player. He also has a very good cricket brain, which has been demonstrated when taking on the Hampshire captaincy in James Vince's absence.

In short he's a great county player who deserves a chance. It looks like his time has gone now though as England are going with young guns who show promise ahead of experienced players with a few seasons of county cricket under their belt.
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« Reply #513 on: January 03, 2020, 04:11:12 PM »

It looks like his time has gone now though as England are going with young guns who show promise ahead of experienced players with a few seasons of county cricket under their belt.
Not exactly effective so far as a strategy though!  Here is hoping we are willing to change a bit and accept a mix of experience and youth
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« Reply #514 on: January 03, 2020, 04:11:51 PM »

It’s a travesty that Northeast hasn’t been given a chance. Perhaps the face doesn’t fit. Perhaps Ed Smith doesn’t know what he’s doing.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #515 on: January 03, 2020, 04:20:24 PM »

Big day for bess tomorrow really need him to bowl well keep the runs tight and allow the 4 (im including stokes as hopefully having a decent spinner will help him) rotate at the the end like maharaj did.

looks like a wicket made for broad too hopefully he can bowl one of those spells!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #516 on: January 03, 2020, 04:20:36 PM »

Someone not in team is better than someone in team claims CBFer.  Blah!

We need to re-establish s proper county championship and stop playing so much idiot cricket. In fact, idiot cricket shouldn't even be allowed to use the name cricket.

It's going to get worse, trust me.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #517 on: January 03, 2020, 04:45:56 PM »

More specialisation is where it will go I reckon. Test, ODI and T20 squads will diverge even further.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #518 on: January 03, 2020, 04:57:59 PM »

More specialisation is where it will go I reckon. Test, ODI and T20 squads will diverge even further.

I’d be fine with that, as long as they don’t keep trying to crowbar “names” from the shorter format in to tests (or vice versa). Enough experimentation... it simply doesn’t work.

The CC needs a massive overhaul. Squares around the country need to be dug up and started again from scratch. There’s something definitely wrong when a 56 year old Darren Stevens keeps taking wickets in Division 1.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #519 on: January 03, 2020, 05:14:35 PM »

Nothing to do with the squares.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #520 on: January 03, 2020, 05:47:05 PM »

Specialisation is ok but cannot be absolute

Stokes is good enough to do both he's proven that! He's batting in a style that doesn't suit and is still out best test match bat at the moment

Rootnis good enough needs to lose the captaincy he was before the captain job he can be again

The test only players should be

Burns Sibley Crawley Denly pope foakes broad Anderson leach

White ball only

Bairstow buttler

I've left archer out as I honestly think he can do both but needs a better skipper and a dedicated role like Johnson at the end of his career when he destroyed us
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #521 on: January 03, 2020, 06:16:53 PM »

Specialisation is ok but cannot be absolute

Stokes is good enough to do both he's proven that! He's batting in a style that doesn't suit and is still out best test match bat at the moment

Rootnis good enough needs to lose the captaincy he was before the captain job he can be again

The test only players should be

Burns Sibley Crawley Denly pope foakes broad Anderson leach

White ball only

Bairstow buttler

I've left archer out as I honestly think he can do both but needs a better skipper and a dedicated role like Johnson at the end of his career when he destroyed us

Proven what?? What does he average as a supposed world class test batsmen ?..

Your general point though is correct.. players can and should be allowed to play multi format. IF... IF ... they are actually good enough..

Players like Curran are bits and pieces white ball players and stokes whilst having shown that he is capable is also showing that he can’t be consistent .. hence the 36 avg.. so there is still a lot of over hype about this side
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #522 on: January 03, 2020, 06:21:50 PM »

Erm, I once saw Joe Denly score a hundred and take a hat-trick in a T20 match!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #523 on: January 03, 2020, 06:26:57 PM »

Erm, I once saw Joe Denly score a hundred and take a hat-trick in a T20 match!

Must be world class at 2020 then..
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #524 on: January 03, 2020, 06:46:44 PM »

Must be world class at 2020 then..

If the quick buck is his thing, he should be allowed to play it, no? He seems to be pretty good at getting a franchise gig, and is the wrong side of thirty.

That night he looked 'world-class' to me in the same way that anyone else looks world class in this nonsense. I'd probably be better placed to judge if I wasn't actually at the game and simply endlessly repeated Sky Sports soundbites though.

Personally, I'd rather T20 didn't exist. Or called itself something other than cricket.

Cricket should not exist for the sole purpose of creating an England team (or making money). Ironically, when it realises this, it may actually find itself with a better England team.
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