Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 149353 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #525 on:** January 03, 2020, 07:38:51 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 03, 2020, 06:46:44 PM

If the quick buck is his thing, he should be allowed to play it, no? He seems to be pretty good at getting a franchise gig, and is the wring side of thirty.

That night he looked 'world-class' to me in the same way that anyone else looks world class in this nonsense. I'd probably be better placed to judge if I wasn't actually at the game and simply endlessly repeated Sky Sports soundbites though.

Personally, I'd rather T20 didn't exist. Or called itself something other than cricket.

Cricket should not exist for the sole purpose of creating an England team (or making money). Ironically, when it realises this, it may actually find itself with a better England team.

Oh there is nothing wrong with it.. jut don�t let it destroy your mentality or technique. If you can genuinely change then great... I�m not seeing many capable of that though.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #526 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:01:31 PM »

But it is destroying the technique of English cricketers en masse? Either that or the desire?

And: whilst I think Denly is currently just about worth his place in the Test side, wouldn't you agree that he's probably closer to being world-class in the T20 *cough* format?

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #527 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:14:57 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 03, 2020, 06:16:53 PM

Proven what?? What does he average as a supposed world class test batsmen ?..

Averages aren't everything and he's not a batsmen he's the only gebuine world class all-rounder on either side

Can single handedly win games of cricket has done will do

I'm all formats

Stokes improves us as a side he's a leader and adds as a bat bowler and fielder

Gebuine question - howbdo his avergae and catch numbers stack up to other all rounders??

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #528 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:21:44 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 03, 2020, 08:14:57 PM

Averages aren't everything and he's not a batsmen he's the only gebuine world class all-rounder on either side

Can single handedly win games of cricket has done will do

I'm all formats

Stokes improves us as a side he's a leader and adds as a bat bowler and fielder

Gebuine question - howbdo his avergae and catch numbers stack up to other all rounders??

His knee is knackered. He won�t be bowling for much longer.. sigh, we don�t need the odd great knock.. we need a test match batsmen who will consistently score 40+ runs

cricketbadger · « **Reply #529 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:28:43 PM »

Winds me up so much, why did they only bowl 89 overs? 3 more minutes would have got the full 90 in, it's a joke

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #530 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:29:44 PM »

Genuine seam bowling all rounders have a very short shelf life in the modern era of cricket. Flintoff was done by 31. Stokes dodgy knee only 28. Corey Anderson from New Zealand was crocked by 26. Hardik Pandya just had spine surgery.

There�s too much cricket being played, especially the T20 franchise scene. Players don�t get enough time to recover.

Jimbo · « **Reply #531 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:42:06 PM »

Is there an obviously better batsman at 5 than Stokes? Also obviously the possibility that if he played solely as a batsman he'd have more time to focus on his batting.

Wozaboxa · « **Reply #532 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:43:50 PM »

This is true, the top players have zero rest, they're playing all year round now more or less. has to be draining.

Byo · « **Reply #533 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:44:24 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 03, 2020, 08:21:44 PM

His knee is knackered. He won�t be bowling for much longer.. sigh, we don�t need the odd great knock.. we need a test match batsmen who will consistently score 40+ runs

He's averaged over 50 in the last 12 months (I believe) which shows he's improving as a test batsman.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #534 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:47:29 PM »

I don�t really care If England win or lose as long as they are trying to play test cricket. This team not only loses but it fails to play actual test cricket for more than the odd player randomly. Yet, reading this blog, media and the ECB... half our players are greats, world clsss or some other crap. The fact that we keep over rating players and no one will hear a bad word said is telling and why this team will never improve

Why improve if you�re lauded and called a great and only need to avg 30�s (burns (early I know), Bairstow, buttler, Stokes, denly (early I know))... then we have the messiah... Curran.. thr Guy bowls dolly drops, not acccurate and it just a hitter how came off once or twice.. her, he�s talked about as a potential top test batsmen, great all rounder and strike bowlers.. I mean.. jesus

The archer.. what an ashes he had.. wants he done since ..... exactly.. either he got lucky?? Or he�s injured now ?? And we keep being told he can bat..

Woakes.. what�s he done wrong not to be ahead of Curran ... Foakes.. .. Crawley last game ..

This set up stinks and keeps on stinking but as we see on here, no one will hear a bad word about some of these players and until that changes.. nothing will change.

The system from amateur to pro is broken for red ball so there won�t be any fixes until that�s fixed .

Sad but it�s said all the time as (No Swearing Please) down again and again but it keeps happening. It�s time for thr blinkers to come off for a lot of people

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #535 on:** January 03, 2020, 08:48:59 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 03, 2020, 08:42:06 PM

Is there an obviously better batsman at 5 than Stokes? Also obviously the possibility that if he played solely as a batsman he'd have more time to focus on his batting.

The point isn�t that he�s the second best batter we have and actually suits 5.. thr point is he�s lauded as some great player and no one will hear a bad word said and yet.. he only avg 35.. he has had a good 13 months though and long may that continue with the bat. I actually hope he is injured bowling wise and that he focuses purely on batting as that�s what we need. We don�t need his bowling at all

The question is can he become an actual world class test batter whilst playing 2020 and ODI?? The difference it makes to players mentality and technique is stark. root is another who is massively suffering now as he keeps trying to play a run a ball rather than take his time.. shocking horror, he�s getting out

Maybe the ECB need to pay them enough to specialise ........ there are more than enough white ballers after all

For a contrast in approach... look at the knocks last night of Laubashange and Smith.. SR�s Etc Etc the kiwis have smith in trouble currently but he still feels off 60 ish off 180.. add in laubashange 120 off 240 ish and boom.. 240 ish for 3 in a day.. that is what this englsnd side need to do and that is what this side simply doesn�t seem capable or willing to do (excluding the odd knock )

Jimbo · « **Reply #536 on:** January 03, 2020, 09:44:12 PM »

Stokes is lauded for his all round contribution. He's a top fielder, has been very consistent with the bat over the last year across all formats and produced some great spells of bowling.

I don't disagree that his batting is needed far more than his bowling though. Ideally he would be in the side to bat with the option to send down a few overs of decent pace when/if needed.

I still think England's Test side need to be less afraid of specialist players. Foakes should be keeping, he's clearly a much more talented keeper than the previous incumbents.

I like Sam Curran but would also like to see him sent back to county cricket for a full season to develop his skills as a bowler and batsman. Anderson and Broad aren't getting any younger so would be good to see England looking to develop a modern pace attack, give chances to Stone, JOverton, etc.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #537 on:** January 03, 2020, 10:04:59 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 03, 2020, 04:02:26 PM

Swapping Diamonds for Sirens??

No, I would never cheat on my Diamonds.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #538 on:** January 03, 2020, 10:19:45 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 03, 2020, 09:44:12 PM

Stokes is lauded for his all round contribution. He's a top fielder, has been very consistent with the bat over the last year across all formats and produced some great spells of bowling.

I don't disagree that his batting is needed far more than his bowling though. Ideally he would be in the side to bat with the option to send down a few overs of decent pace when/if needed.

I still think England's Test side need to be less afraid of specialist players. Foakes should be keeping, he's clearly a much more talented keeper than the previous incumbents.

I like Sam Curran but would also like to see him sent back to county cricket for a full season to develop his skills as a bowler and batsman. Anderson and Broad aren't getting any younger so would be good to see England looking to develop a modern pace attack, give chances to Stone, JOverton, etc.

This.

It's an absolute disgrace, joke and embarrassment that Ben foakes was dropped while averaging 41 and being the best keeper in the world for a bloke that has averaged 20 over the last 18 months.

Stokes has the talent and technique, and he's the only batman I'd want at the crease in a crisis at the moment. Yes he isn't consistent enough. But, the last 12 months has shown he can be.

Bowling wise, stone is one for the future, Curran too, and the Overton brothers so they need to either be in the side or in the lions now.

ppccopener · « **Reply #539 on:** January 03, 2020, 10:30:33 PM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on January 03, 2020, 10:19:45 PM

This.

It's an absolute disgrace, joke and embarrassment that Ben foakes was dropped while averaging 41 and being the best keeper in the world for a bloke that has averaged 20 over the last 18 months.

Stokes has the talent and technique, and he's the only batman I'd want at the crease in a crisis at the moment. Yes he isn't consistent enough. But, the last 12 months has shown he can be.

Bowling wise, stone is one for the future, Curran too, and the Overton brothers so they need to either be in the side or in the lions now.

Yeah....as bad as things look now there are some green shoots...got my tin hat on here... Pope has promise, Sibley might have too, Denly is solid.Burns did well before getting injured

Foakes might change the side, any team I've played in you see a class keeper and it seems to lift everyone, don't see why it should be any different with a test team.

England have to sort out the keeper and who Captains-two big decisions then we can move forward.

There is hope.

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