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Jimbo

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #540 on: January 03, 2020, 10:37:18 PM »
World class keeper definitely gives the bowlers a confidence boost. Think Foakes might also be a better foil for the likes of Stokes and Pope as he knows his limitations as a batsman whereas Buttler is so phenomenally talented in white ball cricket I'm not sure he has the same mentality.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #541 on: January 03, 2020, 10:50:27 PM »
Jos Buttler as good as said he doesn't know how to bat in Test cricket a couple of days ago.

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"Since I've come back into Test cricket I've tried to trust my defence for longer periods of time. I've been able to do that on occasions. But [playing my natural game] is certainly something I'm trying to work out.

You can do a lot of work in the nets but I'm spending a lot of time thinking about the game when I'm sat in my room or trying to visualise things or work through them in my head. Moving forward I've got to play the situation, but I will try to be a bit more positive."
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28404722/not-performing-standards-need-admits-jos-buttler

I think this perfectly highlights the issues with the current England side.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #542 on: January 03, 2020, 10:51:03 PM »
So what might a side look like 1 year from now?

Burns
Hameed
Sibley
Root
Stokes *
Pope
Foakes +
Curran S
Archer
Crane
Stone


touring Extras:

Crawley
Clarke
Virdi
Mahmood
Helm
« Last Edit: January 03, 2020, 10:53:50 PM by FattusCattus »
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #543 on: January 03, 2020, 10:57:13 PM »
Burns*
Sibley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Curran
Bess
Stone
Archer

Touring party:
Broad
Crawley
J Clarke (assuming his ban is lifted by then)
Mahmood
Leach
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #544 on: January 03, 2020, 11:14:08 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 03, 2020, 10:50:27 PM
Jos Buttler as good as said he doesn't know how to bat in Test cricket a couple of days ago.
 https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28404722/not-performing-standards-need-admits-jos-buttler

I think this perfectly highlights the issues with the current England side.

No doubt Jos has been shoehorned into the test side because he's such a great attacking threat and everyone thinks he's going to be our Adam Gilchrist, who was a bit of a freak and also had a really solid foundation in the longer format.

Jos is a truly amazing white ball cricketer but has a modest 4 day record (when he actually plays) and the amount of time his attacking style comes off at test level is few and far between because the vast majority of the time we've got our backs against the wall trying to scratch 250 together - he can't come in at 400-5 like Gilchrist used to with the Aussies but that's what he's there for.

It's not his fault the top 6 can't set a platform and he's having to curb his instincts and bat in a way that's pretty alien to him.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #545 on: January 03, 2020, 11:32:52 PM »
The simple problem for Jos is that the red ball swings and moves even when it’s 40/50/60 overs old, Jos nearly always plays his white balls cricket when the ball used doesn’t swing ever and hardly ever moves off the seam. He has a total of just over 100 first class games at 30 years old and before getting on the test side I believe has played 2 four day games in 2 years so it’s unlikely he will be a successful red ball batter.

The thing I don’t understand is that in all professional sport you pick your best side and I just don’t understand how Butler, Bairstow, Curran to a degree are our best test side but yet we still pick them, i half wonder if it’s for commercial reasons as the ECB is a business at the end of the day and I guess more people will pay for Sky etc to see those names that light up and entertain in white ball as opposed to the Crawleys or Foakes etc that are no doubt better red ball players but are not X Factor names.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #546 on: January 03, 2020, 11:48:12 PM »
At the end of this series we have to bite the bullet and pension off Anderson and Broad. It’s like we are playing two different games. At home, green pitches and Dukes ball eg a medium pacers dream. Away from home Kookaburra ball eg medium pacers get exposed as being toothless.

Anderson keeps talking about playing in the 2021/22 Ashes, what’s he gonna be offering at the age of 39? Especially with the kookaburra ball.

We need to form an attack for all conditions eg Archer, Stone and/or Wood. The best available spinner. Give that attack 10-15 Tests in the lead up to that Ashes series.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #547 on: January 04, 2020, 12:30:21 AM »
Not convinced Wood will overcome his injury issues to be part of that group but would love him to manage it. Stone, Archer, Mahmood, JOverton. England aren't short of younger bowlers who can produce serious pace.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #548 on: January 04, 2020, 12:33:21 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on January 04, 2020, 12:30:21 AM
Not convinced Wood will overcome his injury issues to be part of that group but would love him to manage it. Stone, Archer, Mahmood, JOverton. England aren't short of younger bowlers who can produce serious pace.

Pace alone isn't enough though. You still have to use it correctly and put the ball in the right areas for both the batsman and the pitch.

If pace was the key to wickets then Andre van Troost would have taken 100s of international wickets instead of spraying it all over the shop.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #549 on: January 04, 2020, 12:53:32 AM »
What is this fixation England have with pace bowlers?

In search of these scary quicks Test caps have been handed to the likes of Amjad Khan, Ajmal Shahzad, Sajid Mahmood, Boyd Rankin, Jake Ball and Olly Stone. Why don't we learn from past mistakes?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #550 on: January 04, 2020, 08:24:31 AM »
Anyone else find ramprakash really annoying?

Constantly criticising enlgand for the things he failed to sort as batting coach, giving reasons for it again when he couldn't fix it as batting coach!!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #551 on: January 04, 2020, 08:38:44 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 04, 2020, 08:24:31 AM
Anyone else find ramprakash really annoying?

Constantly criticising enlgand for the things he failed to sort as batting coach, giving reasons for it again when he couldn't fix it as batting coach!!

It would be fascinating to talk to him about the game as he obviously does know his stuff.. but... I quite agree.l the fact he utterly failed as batting coach means he really shouldn’t be there.

KP had some good bits on commentary yesterday if anyone else heard that ?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #552 on: January 04, 2020, 08:50:44 AM »
Unfortunately not I had the displeasure if talksport but always likes listening to kp talk about the game and his methods

Not my cup of tea and a bit of a t*** but certainly speaks very well and technically well
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #553 on: January 04, 2020, 08:54:27 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 04, 2020, 08:50:44 AM
Unfortunately not I had the displeasure if talksport but always likes listening to kp talk about the game and his methods

Not my cup of tea and a bit of a t*** but certainly speaks very well and technically well

Oh god KP is a $$¥€¥.. you cns see why he should never lead a team too but.. as you say, his insights, thinking and technical stuff is awesome
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #554 on: January 04, 2020, 09:04:44 AM »
First two overs have shown how much of a mess that first innings was
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