Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138220 times)

Psi · « **Reply #840 on:** January 09, 2020, 07:28:07 PM »

Trusted to stay uninjured probably

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #841 on:** January 09, 2020, 07:29:38 PM »

I think Sam Curran will have a lengthy and successful international career.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #842 on:** January 09, 2020, 07:30:17 PM »

Quote from: Psi on January 09, 2020, 07:28:07 PM

Trusted to stay uninjured probably

Possibly.

edge · « **Reply #843 on:** January 09, 2020, 07:35:17 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 09, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

Given his height Edge do you think it�s possible he could gain pace in his bowling? As in a relatively significant amount?

I�m no bowler but I would of thought being a short guy would limit that side of his game

I doubt he'll ever be full express but it's a rare bowler who can't put on pace with the right technical work - Gough, Woakes for example. Unlikely he'll be able to find the time for that kind of work while playing for England/Surrey/IPL all year round you'd have thought though. I'm sure Sam Curran at 30 will have made significant changes from now, but who knows what kind of player he'll end up being - should be interesting to watch. No all-rounder likes bowling less though!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #844 on:** January 09, 2020, 07:38:10 PM »

The last England 'all-rounder' without a first-class ton to their name may well have been Geoff Miller?

Manormanic · « **Reply #845 on:** January 09, 2020, 10:22:29 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 09, 2020, 06:18:57 PM

Curran is essentially Bresnan MKII. Will have that beginners luck before fading away.

Bresnan was a lot better than that. Until he played on through an albow injury and lost his gas as a result, he was a top quality quick.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #846 on:** January 09, 2020, 11:08:26 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 09, 2020, 10:22:29 PM

Bresnan was a lot better than that. Until he played on through an albow injury and lost his gas as a result, he was a top quality quick.

I was under selling Bresnan granted. He was fantastic in Australia back in 2010-11. Threw away two Test hundreds as well.

Manormanic · « **Reply #847 on:** January 10, 2020, 07:05:34 AM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 09, 2020, 11:08:26 PM

I was under selling Bresnan granted. He was fantastic in Australia back in 2010-11. Threw away two Test hundreds as well.

A couple of ODI hundreds too. Its one of those "what ifs" - what if he had been sensible enough to have surgery when the problem developed, rather than saying "England need me". Peak Bresnan was a rare kind of bowler - the perfect third seamer.

Seperately, on Curran, S - interesting that there are so many criticisms of his batting now (not shocking given the lack of results). This is a by product of bringing him into top level cricket so early - he is not now going to have the quiet time in which to work on his game and develop the skills required to bat longer periods against the red ball.

rickjames · « **Reply #848 on:** January 10, 2020, 09:30:14 AM »

Early on in Curran's career (I mean, he's been playing first class-cricket for five years now) the general concensus from the Surrey staff was that he'd eventually be a batting all-rounder rather than bowling; 18 50s is a testament to him being a decent bat, but frustrating he's never tonned up (a few 90s, once got out on 96 and almost had to dragged off the field).

Really depends on what England want to do with him

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #849 on:** January 10, 2020, 09:57:34 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 09, 2020, 10:22:29 PM

Bresnan was a lot better than that. Until he played on through an albow injury and lost his gas as a result, he was a top quality quick.

THis. He was actually very good until said Elbow injury finished him at the top level. At least he didn't quit mid series

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #850 on:** January 10, 2020, 10:04:40 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 10, 2020, 07:05:34 AM

A couple of ODI hundreds too. Its one of those "what ifs" - what if he had been sensible enough to have surgery when the problem developed, rather than saying "England need me". Peak Bresnan was a rare kind of bowler - the perfect third seamer.

Seperately, on Curran, S - interesting that there are so many criticisms of his batting now (not shocking given the lack of results). This is a by product of bringing him into top level cricket so early - he is not now going to have the quiet time in which to work on his game and develop the skills required to bat longer periods against the red ball.

There have always been questions about his batting from day one. However, because he had such a good start as per normal England media/fans there have been the calls that he's suddenly some world beater or potential to be a world beater. It isn't fashionable to question this theory as we see on this forum sometimes.. No one likes those to question the status quo.

However... He is a golden arm to be fair to him currently so whilst I wouldn't pick him in a test team.. he deserves to keep his spot as a bowler. His batting has never been anything more than hit or miss hitting that just came off in one series but has failed in every other series (excluding the odd flash that realistically.. anyone (at the pro level) can have)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #851 on:** January 10, 2020, 10:10:29 AM »

Quote from: rickjames on January 10, 2020, 09:30:14 AM

Early on in Curran's career (I mean, he's been playing first class-cricket for five years now) the general concensus from the Surrey staff was that he'd eventually be a batting all-rounder rather than bowling; 18 50s is a testament to him being a decent bat, but frustrating he's never tonned up (a few 90s, once got out on 96 and almost had to dragged off the field).

Really depends on what England want to do with him

HE is the only one who can decide what he wants to do. IF he genuinely wants to be Test batsmen then he probably has to learn the Red ball batting mentality/technique style of play and then will need to develop that at county level over a period of time. That will require a significant mind shift and many mnay hours training. Is he willing to do that? Is he willing to potentially miss out on the IPL, Big Bash and maybe even compromise his White ball skills? Sure England will have a say as they obviously have with other players but it does all come down to the player.

We've seen what effect bits and pieces players will have and we've seen what happens (Bairstow, Hales, Roy etc) if we plonk specialist White ball players into the red ball team (and vice versa with Cook in ODI's for example). England really need to decide if they want to go down the specialist route and if they do, they'll need to fund it so keep these players from needing to go to white ball tournaments to earn the big bucks.

Jimbo · « **Reply #852 on:** January 10, 2020, 10:49:15 AM »

A Test average of 29 at the age of 21 suggests he has the capability to be a pretty decent bat. Don't think anyone is suggesting he will be batting 3 any time soon but the amount of negativity about his batting from some is ridiculous.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #853 on:** January 10, 2020, 10:52:48 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 10, 2020, 10:49:15 AM

A Test average of 29 at the age of 21 suggests he has the capability to be a pretty decent bat. Don't think anyone is suggesting he will be batting 3 any time soon but the amount of negativity about his batting from some is ridiculous.

The over estimation is also ridiculous though.. that's kinda the issue. 'WE' as England fans wildly over rate players rather than just being able to go with the flow. We ride the very top of the wave with our players for some reason (India do it to tbf)

Manormanic · « **Reply #854 on:** January 10, 2020, 11:53:36 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 10, 2020, 10:10:29 AM

We've seen what effect bits and pieces players will have and we've seen what happens (Bairstow, Hales, Roy etc) if we plonk specialist White ball players into the red ball team (and vice versa with Cook in ODI's for example)

Bairstow is not a white ball specialist though! He has an excellent first class record and has succeeded in the past in test cricket. He's had a poor run, probably influenced by his changes to develop his white ball game, but is certainly not a Roy style biffer.

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