Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138150 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #1050 on:** January 22, 2020, 08:34:53 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 22, 2020, 07:54:16 PM

That's why it's especially disappointing that Burns is out injured. His experience of captaincy at Surrey would make him a useful sounding board for Root, especially on managing fast bowlers.

Totally agree, he has had to put in 5 consistent years where others have not just because someone high up ate the MCC coaching manual.
It really should be a guide not the bible for the selectors trying to identify a test player.

rickjames · « **Reply #1051 on:** January 23, 2020, 02:42:24 PM »

Sounds like they're now going to drop Bess for Archer...

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #1052 on:** January 23, 2020, 02:46:37 PM »

Quote from: rickjames on January 23, 2020, 02:42:24 PM

Sounds like they're now going to drop Bess for Archer...

May seem a bit unfair after Bess just took a 5 wicket haul and set up a great win, but i think its a horses for courses selection as we are lead to believe this is the quickest deck in SA and will be good to see Archer and Wood in the same side. Think Bess has proved he had improved loads since his first crack at test cricket and will certainly be on the plane to SL and Root and also Denny have proved that they are very handy spin options if required, Root certainly seems to be more consistent and can give the quicks a rest.

Also maybe Woods pace will get archer going and it will be great to see two 90mph+ bowlers going for England

Jimbo · « **Reply #1053 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:02:55 PM »

Interesting decision if it is Bess who makes way. Might well be a quick deck but taking no specialist spinner is a brave choice.

Byo · « **Reply #1054 on:** January 23, 2020, 06:51:02 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2020, 03:02:55 PM

Interesting decision if it is Bess who makes way. Might well be a quick deck but taking no specialist spinner is a brave choice.

Be interesting to see how many tests we've won playing 5 seamers on a horses for courses basis. I suspect it is very few.

Jimbo · « **Reply #1055 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:15:32 PM »

Quote from: Byo on January 23, 2020, 06:51:02 PM

Be interesting to see how many tests we've won playing 5 seamers on a horses for courses basis. I suspect it is very few.

I can't remember details but I feel like it has a history of not working brilliantly...

shadowlight · « **Reply #1056 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:18:33 PM »

Quote from: Byo on January 23, 2020, 06:51:02 PM

Be interesting to see how many tests we've won playing 5 seamers on a horses for courses basis. I suspect it is very few.

Let's see, the last time England did that they lost which was the 1st test of the series.

If England drop Bess they are going to play right into SA's hands. Majority of the SA batters were fine playing fast bowlers but struggled against Bess.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1057 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2020, 07:15:32 PM

I can't remember details but I feel like it has a history of not working brilliantly...

Who has it ever worked for?

Even the great West Indies sides had four quick, not five.

fros23 · « **Reply #1058 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:48:14 PM »

Never understand why teams don't play a spinner, you need the variety at the very least. You never see a team pick an all spin attack even in the subcontintent

Jimbo · « **Reply #1059 on:** January 23, 2020, 08:15:23 PM »

Quote from: fros23 on January 23, 2020, 07:48:14 PM

Never understand why teams don't play a spinner, you need the variety at the very least. You never see a team pick an all spin attack even in the subcontintent

England came pretty close last tour in SL and that worked out alright in fairness.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1060 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:34:03 PM »

Quote from: fros23 on January 23, 2020, 07:48:14 PM

Never understand why teams don't play a spinner, you need the variety at the very least. You never see a team pick an all spin attack even in the subcontintent

I could understand - not agree with - four seamers and an extra batsman but five seamers always means that one ends up under bowled - the only scenario where all five get overs in their legs is precisely the one where you really need a spinner to dry up an end.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1061 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:04:51 PM »

As has been said the great Windies team usually had 4 quicks and Gomes and Richards, and Harper did a fair amount of bowling.
Apart from the obvious if 4 seamers can�t get 20 wickets 5 is unlikely too- a spinner allows Root to have some attacking close to the bat fielders.

If we do get another 450/500 mistakes happen with close catchers in, I�m not sure either modern batsmen are happy just defending against spin like they used to

Jimbo · « **Reply #1062 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:08:25 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 23, 2020, 10:04:51 PM

As has been said the great Windies team usually had 4 quicks and Gomes and Richards, and Harper did a fair amount of bowling.
Apart from the obvious if 4 seamers can�t get 20 wickets 5 is unlikely too- a spinner allows Root to have some attacking close to the bat fielders.

If we do get another 450/500 mistakes happen with close catchers in, I�m not sure either modern batsmen are happy just defending against spin like they used to

It's a different mentality required against a spinner bowling accurately. Same reason having a left armer or someone bowling absolute gas is valuable, takes the batsman out of their bubble a bit, then all it takes is one lapse in concentration.

edge · « **Reply #1063 on:** January 24, 2020, 07:00:49 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 23, 2020, 09:34:03 PM

I could understand - not agree with - four seamers and an extra batsman but five seamers always means that one ends up under bowled - the only scenario where all five get overs in their legs is precisely the one where you really need a spinner to dry up an end.

Exactly the problem I always have with it, if we play 5 seamers then either Stokes won't bowl or Curran will bowl less than 20 overs in the match.

rickjames · « **Reply #1064 on:** January 24, 2020, 08:22:13 AM »

Don't see any play for the forseeable future

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