Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138097 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1215 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:16:06 PM »

Why.. why is Pretorious hooking!! Show some bloody fight ffs ..What is wrong with these players.. Easy wicket for Broad.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1216 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:19:54 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 27, 2020, 02:07:51 PM

This is interesting. Every time I've heard him speak he's come across as a humble, almost shy personality. One of the good guys.

My reading of his sledging Philander was that it was on team orders to try and unsettle him (as keeper he was best placed to have a quiet abusive word). From the replay I thought he looked really embarrassed doing it. Not that this excuses it as a tactic.

What makes you think he's a tool?

You mean the comments to Philander were not enough? Amongst the worst things I've heard on a cricket field, and richly deserving of a band in my opinion. And he has plenty of previous for the odd word I in the ear!

SLA · « **Reply #1217 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:24:56 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 27, 2020, 02:19:54 PM

You mean the comments to Philander were not enough? Amongst the worst things I've heard on a cricket field, and richly deserving of a band in my opinion. And he has plenty of previous for the odd word I in the ear!

Right, but as I say, I think that was team orders rather than Buttler just being a knob.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1218 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:26:13 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 27, 2020, 02:24:56 PM

Right, but as I say, I think that was team orders rather than Buttler just being a knob.

If it was - and you must have special knowledge if that is the case because I've not heard it anywhere else - I doubt those orders would have specified the nature of the sledging, because what the delightful Mr Buttler came up with was just vile personal abuse.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #1219 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:27:18 PM »

So to clarify, you're allowed to abuse someone if you're under instruction to do so?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1220 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:30:02 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 27, 2020, 02:27:18 PM

So to clarify, you're allowed to abuse someone if you're under instruction to do so?

this... Just because someone says 'go be a �$�$�$�$�$�$�' doesn't mean you have to or even should.

edge · « **Reply #1221 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:31:07 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 27, 2020, 02:19:54 PM

Amongst the worst things I've heard on a cricket field

Really?!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1222 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:35:37 PM »

Quote from: edge on January 27, 2020, 02:31:07 PM

Really?!

Sadly it's not the worst but that's because people seem to think abuse on the sports field is acceptable and a showing of 'competitiveness'.. Just shut up and play cricket, zero need for any verbals.

SA not even showing any fight, this is dire test cricket really.. No competitiveness in this game what so ever. 6 balls in and Nortje is reverse sweeping!! WTF... TEST CRICKET fella.. not white ball

sfa82 · « **Reply #1223 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:36:07 PM »

End of Big Vern's Test career. Real inspiration to all cricketers from the underprivileged areas of Cape Town. A career he can be proud of. I think he would have really wanted to add a test hundred to his record considering he is quite capable with the bat.

Go well Big Vern.

SLA · « **Reply #1224 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:42:15 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 27, 2020, 02:26:13 PM

If it was - and you must have special knowledge if that is the case because I've not heard it anywhere else - I doubt those orders would have specified the nature of the sledging, because what the delightful Mr Buttler came up with was just vile personal abuse.

Well I said "I think" not "I know for certain", but it certainly seemed deliberately staged and strategically intended - and it worked: Phillander went all angry and starey and 2 minutes later got out.

Lets be honest, most sledging at the professional level is premeditated. This wasn't Buttler losing his temper and lashing out, this was Buttler deliberately trying to wind big Vince up and get him to do something rash.

SLA · « **Reply #1225 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:44:06 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 27, 2020, 02:27:18 PM

So to clarify, you're allowed to abuse someone if you're under instruction to do so?

No, it just means that its equally the captain's/vice-captain's fault for planning and sanctioning it, rather than the act of a lone wolf losing his temper. Buttler doesn't strike me as the type of guy just to suddenly lose his rag. Stokes, maybe, but Buttler always comes across and very calm and collected.

rickjames · « **Reply #1226 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:47:12 PM »

No 10fer for Woody

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #1227 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:50:57 PM »

And that's the end of that.

Well bowled Mark Wood, well played England.

Get the hit & giggle out the way and roll on Sri Lanka!

Manormanic · « **Reply #1228 on:** January 27, 2020, 03:13:00 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 27, 2020, 02:42:15 PM

Well I said "I think" not "I know for certain", but it certainly seemed deliberately staged and strategically intended - and it worked: Phillander went all angry and starey and 2 minutes later got out.

He must've been so proud that it "worked". I think if I needed to stoop that low to get a glorified tail ender out, I'd retire.

I'm not against a bit of sledging - but it should be banter, and should steer clear of swearing and personal insults. Most do. Few stoop as low as Buttler did. And as far as I am concerned, its on him, not on someone else who may or may not have been involved.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1229 on:** January 27, 2020, 03:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 27, 2020, 03:13:00 PM

I'm not against a bit of sledging - but it should be banter

What counts as Banter?? Does everyone have to find it 'amusing' or just the ones sledging?

Anyway, Buttler got a ticking off.. whether it should be harsher or not is a different question. Same with Rabada, Phillander and now Faf. The fact we are having so many incidents shows that it's deep rooted in the game and turning a blind eye isn't the answer.. neither are weak punishments as they are obviously not working.

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