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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1230 on: January 27, 2020, 03:35:28 PM »

What counts as Banter?? Does everyone have to find it 'amusing' or just the ones sledging?

As a basic answer, I would say there are obvious no-nos - vulgar language, personal insults, bringing anything from off the field into it.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1231 on: January 27, 2020, 04:01:22 PM »

This whole "banter" business is utter nonsense! Shut the hell up and play the game quietly!
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« Reply #1232 on: January 27, 2020, 04:16:28 PM »

This whole "banter" business is utter nonsense! Shut the hell up and play the game quietly!

Banter is great fun. However, when you're playing sport sadly What one team think is 'Banter' just isn't to the opposition. Hence why there is such a problem as there is no 'line'. The 'line' is sadly a moving thing based on what each person thinks is acceptable. What is banter to one is abuse to another.

Hence the problem.

Still, Buttler is probably done in Test cricket so hopefully it's a mute point on him. Just hope Foakes gets in and keeps his mouth shut.
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« Reply #1233 on: January 27, 2020, 06:22:36 PM »

Congratulation to England for winning the series.

For me the find of the series is Nortje.  Carried the SA bowling load and when asked to bat as night watchmen he did an outstanding job, even better than the SA top order bats.
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« Reply #1234 on: January 27, 2020, 07:17:48 PM »

This whole "banter" business is utter nonsense! Shut the hell up and play the game quietly!

I bet you're great fun in the field for 50 overs... ;)
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« Reply #1235 on: January 27, 2020, 07:25:48 PM »

Congratulation to England for winning the series.

For me the find of the series is Nortje.  Carried the SA bowling load and when asked to bat as night watchmen he did an outstanding job, even better than the SA top order bats.

I don’t know if anyone else thinks this, but whenever SA manage to unearth a decent player, my immediate thought is to wonder which county will sign them as a Kolpak. SA cricket is in such a sorry state, and I really hope having the likes of Boucher and Kallis in the set-up will help to improve matters, as international cricket needs a strong SA team.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1236 on: January 27, 2020, 07:27:02 PM »

I bet you're great fun in the field for 50 overs... ;)

Cricket game itself is so much fun why do you want to spout nonsense?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1237 on: January 27, 2020, 07:33:51 PM »

However, when you're playing sport sadly What one team think is 'Banter' just isn't to the opposition. Hence why there is such a problem as there is no 'line'. The 'line' is sadly a moving thing based on what each person thinks is acceptable. What is banter to one is abuse to another.

Hence the problem.

Exactly. You are basically making my point.

You don't know the state of mind of the opposition and how they will interpret AND react to your "funny" behavior.

As long as you are not a mind reader, keep your trap closed.

On a more "logistical" note, where I play, there is no centralized (state level) support for cricket. All it would take is one bad incident and it will make headlines. People get hot tempered very quickly and things in the past have escalated.

A good, tight game played with a lot of skill, doesn't require demeaning your opposition or even your team mates. This "banter" business is plain unnecessary when game is good.
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« Reply #1238 on: January 27, 2020, 07:43:06 PM »

Cricket game itself is so much fun why do you want to spout nonsense?

This may be a controversial opinion, but fielding can be really boring...

I'd much rather have some banter with my team mates and/or the oppo than "shut the hell up and play the game quietly".

One of the games I enjoyed most last season was one where we shipped 384-1, not because of the cricket itself but because the bloke who carried his bat for 179* was a right laugh!

At the end of the day I'm paying to play, I'd much rather enjoy my day and have a laugh than stand in silence for 3 and a half hours...
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« Reply #1239 on: January 27, 2020, 07:50:24 PM »

I bet you're great fun in the field for 50 overs... ;)

You don’t need banter at, too or about the oppo to have fun. Surely abusing the oppo shows you can’t have fun without gobbing off ?
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« Reply #1240 on: January 27, 2020, 07:54:21 PM »

I don’t know if anyone else thinks this, but whenever SA manage to unearth a decent player, my immediate thought is to wonder which county will sign them as a Kolpak. SA cricket is in such a sorry state, and I really hope having the likes of Boucher and Kallis in the set-up will help to improve matters, as international cricket needs a strong SA team.

Yep, same thought has gone through my mind also.  I remember reading couple of weeks back that Smith had assured Pretorius about his involvement when he was thinking about Kolpak.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28387481/dwaine-pretorius-commits-future-south-africa-amid-kolpak-temptation
https://www.sacricketmag.com/smith-reportedly-dissuaded-pretorius-from-going-kolpak/

The disappointment from SA team was Philander.  Getting 8 wickets in 7 innings is poor for a guy who is the senior most bowler in the team.

Here is the team most likely to show up in WI for SA in July.

Elgar, Malan, Van Der Dussen, Du Plessis (last series before retirement or he could just say screw it and go Kolpak before Jan. 31st deadline), Bavuma (C), De Kock, Andile Phehlukwayo, Ngidi, Maharaj, Rabada, Nortje (I think the team is still one short of the transformation target)

Does SA have an opening batsmen that could replace Elgar/Malan that could help with quota?

Since SA did not meet all the quota requirements they are going to stack the deck against WI.  If Du Plessis is not selected/retires/goes Kolpak route, he will be replaced by Hamza/Petersen in the lineup with the other been extra batsmen and that will help meet the target.

Spare batsmen - Hamza, Petersen, Markram
Spare bowler - Second, Hendricks, Paterson
Spare Allrounder - Pretorius


My personal opinion is that quota systems suck at the highest level, but what do I know.
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« Reply #1241 on: January 27, 2020, 07:56:44 PM »

You don’t need banter at, too or about the oppo to have fun. Surely abusing the oppo shows you can’t have fun without gobbing off ?

Who said anything about abusing the oppo?

If you interpret having a laugh with your teammates and/or the oppo as "abuse" then I'm glad I don't have to play in the same team as you...

For the record I will talk to the batsmen every game, if they reciprocate then great we'll have a chat and a laugh. if they aren't interested in speaking then I'll keep quiet. It's quite simple really, don't be a knobhead and speak to people decently. You end up having a much better time than standing in silence for hours on end. Try it, you may even end up making some friends!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1242 on: January 27, 2020, 08:58:11 PM »

Who said anything about abusing the oppo?

If you interpret having a laugh with your teammates and/or the oppo as "abuse" then I'm glad I don't have to play in the same team as you...

For the record I will talk to the batsmen every game, if they reciprocate then great we'll have a chat and a laugh. if they aren't interested in speaking then I'll keep quiet. It's quite simple really, don't be a knobhead and speak to people decently. You end up having a much better time than standing in silence for hours on end. Try it, you may even end up making some friends!

If you try and engage and keep quite (at, to or about them) if they don’t then that’s exactly how it should be. Some people do like chat so it’s good to see.. if they don’t engage then leave them alone. That way sledges are happy and non sledgers are happy.. win win
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1243 on: January 27, 2020, 08:59:45 PM »

Who said anything about abusing the oppo?

If you interpret having a laugh with your teammates and/or the oppo as "abuse" then I'm glad I don't have to play in the same team as you...

For the record I will talk to the batsmen every game, if they reciprocate then great we'll have a chat and a laugh. if they aren't interested in speaking then I'll keep quiet. It's quite simple really, don't be a knobhead and speak to people decently. You end up having a much better time than standing in silence for hours on end. Try it, you may even end up making some friends!
This is exactly how I go about my Saturday cricket too, funnily enough its enjoyable!!!  I don't give abuse or get it back.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1244 on: January 27, 2020, 09:08:37 PM »

Yep, same thought has gone through my mind also.  I remember reading couple of weeks back that Smith had assured Pretorius about his involvement when he was thinking about Kolpak.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28387481/dwaine-pretorius-commits-future-south-africa-amid-kolpak-temptation
https://www.sacricketmag.com/smith-reportedly-dissuaded-pretorius-from-going-kolpak/

The disappointment from SA team was Philander.  Getting 8 wickets in 7 innings is poor for a guy who is the senior most bowler in the team.

Here is the team most likely to show up in WI for SA in July.

Elgar, Malan, Van Der Dussen, Du Plessis (last series before retirement or he could just say screw it and go Kolpak before Jan. 31st deadline), Bavuma (C), De Kock, Andile Phehlukwayo, Ngidi, Maharaj, Rabada, Nortje (I think the team is still one short of the transformation target)

Does SA have an opening batsmen that could replace Elgar/Malan that could help with quota?

Since SA did not meet all the quota requirements they are going to stack the deck against WI.  If Du Plessis is not selected/retires/goes Kolpak route, he will be replaced by Hamza/Petersen in the lineup with the other been extra batsmen and that will help meet the target.

Spare batsmen - Hamza, Petersen, Markram
Spare bowler - Second, Hendricks, Paterson
Spare Allrounder - Pretorius


My personal opinion is that quota systems suck at the highest level, but what do I know.

All good points. Except that Rudi Second is a batsman/keeper. Played against him a few years ago and he smashed us to bits

I would imagine that Nortje has already had people in touch regarding a kolpak deal! De Kock and Du plessis have already improved their income with a few years on the t20circuit but for long format only players the mediocrity of County Championship pays better than Test Cricket! Dark days for SA
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