Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138084 times)

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #1245 on:** January 27, 2020, 09:17:13 PM »

Cricket without banter/good natured sledging is painfully dull. Some people take it too far, and any decent captain will step in and tell them to shut up.

Personally I love it when the bowler, keeper or slips dish it out. It doesn�t affect me at all, but it certainly makes the feeling a lot sweeter when I crash them to all parts and then give some back. It�s amazing how some of the more vocal gladly dish it out, but absolutely hate it when you return fire.

shadowlight · « **Reply #1246 on:** January 28, 2020, 12:04:37 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 27, 2020, 09:08:37 PM

All good points. Except that Rudi Second is a batsman/keeper. Played against him a few years ago and he smashed us to bits

I would imagine that Nortje has already had people in touch regarding a kolpak deal! De Kock and Du plessis have already improved their income with a few years on the t20circuit but for long format only players the mediocrity of County Championship pays better than Test Cricket! Dark days for SA

I guess I misread Rudi Second profile on Cricinfo. Who would be inline as backup role to Maharaj? I hope to god it�s not Piedt or are the cupboard bare for spinners also.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1247 on:** January 28, 2020, 07:46:57 AM »

From memory Shamsi was the 2nd spinner last time they toured in Asia. Left arm wristspinner, which is always interesting to watch.

The captain of the U19s is also a spin bowling all rounder but might be a bit early for him

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1248 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:07:05 AM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on January 27, 2020, 04:01:22 PM

This whole "banter" business is utter nonsense! Shut the hell up and play the game quietly!

Agree.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1249 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:09:15 AM »

I wonder if there is a relationship between fondness for 'banter' and amount of money spent on cricket bats?

SurreySam · « **Reply #1250 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:37:02 AM »

Can't believe some people really think Jos Butler staged or deliberately engaged in targeted sledging antics. This is why watching highlight packages is dangerous to start forming opinions, as you don't see the whole lead up and battle.

In Cape Town, Philander obstructed Jos from retrieving the ball cleanly when it was being thrown in from the field. Jos told him to get out the way and to move, Philander then tried staring him out, Stokes then chirps up saying "Don't stare him out, he's got a point mate". You then see the incident which got reported and Jos fined, which I agree with.

Then yesterday Faf does exactly the same thing, maybe to try and wind Jos up again? Someone then calls Faf an "idiot", which I think was Broad but Faf may have thought it'd come from Jos. So Faf turns to Jos saying "don't call me that" and gives him a gentle shoulder barge/nudge. In the interest of fairness over the Test Series, I hope Faf also gets a match fee fine.

The long and short of it though; there was no pre-meditated sledging in those aired instances! It was just heat of the moment stuff, when playing a competitive game at the highest and toughest level.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1251 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:48:07 AM »

Quote from: SurreySam on January 28, 2020, 11:37:02 AM

It was just heat of the moment stuff, when playing a competitive game at the highest and toughest level.

Part of the 'battle' is maintaining your cool, composure and professionalism. 'Losing your head' should be punished because that's part of the skillset you're looking for.. Someone who can stay cool when under pressure etc etc... It's easy to be a hot head after all.. Very hard to be cool, calm and collected when it matters.

SurreySam · « **Reply #1252 on:** January 28, 2020, 12:07:35 PM »

Yes, which is why I also mentioned that I agreed with the fine and why I'd also welcome Faf picking one up. The whole tit for tat debacle has just rumbled on throughout the series.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1253 on:** January 28, 2020, 12:10:52 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on January 28, 2020, 12:07:35 PM

Yes, which is why I also mentioned that I agreed with the fine and why I'd also welcome Faf picking one up. The whole tit for tat debacle has just rumbled on throughout the series.

Yet it keeps happening because the punishments aren't putting these players off doing it. Hence the need to harsher punishments to 'adjust' player behaviour. They won't change on their own after all

SurreySam · « **Reply #1254 on:** January 28, 2020, 12:25:24 PM »

It's a nice ideology to have. A game where cricket does the talking and not the mouth, but we don't live in an ideal world. At least there�s a mechanism in place at international level, to deal with those situations. Me personally, I'd like to see more league level cricket sledging/abuse reduced, as some people struggle to see where the line is.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1255 on:** January 28, 2020, 12:41:34 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on January 28, 2020, 12:25:24 PM

It's a nice ideology to have. A game where cricket does the talking and not the mouth, but we don't live in an ideal world. At least there�s a mechanism in place at international level, to deal with those situations. Me personally, I'd like to see more league level cricket sledging/abuse reduced, as some people struggle to see where the line is.

Of course people will lose their heads.. Hence why you punish it though. That way, there are severe enough consequences that you all but erradicate it in all but hte most hot head of hots heads, who in turn will spend most of their time banned.

Obviously it's such a different game at the pro level as there is actually Pressure unlike Amateur level BUT.. little Jimmy see's <insert player name> Sledge/COmment/Abuse and then copies them on a Saturday. IT's the weekend warriors who need the protection, not the pro's in reality but they need to make the stand at the pro level to demonstrate it isn't wanted/required.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1256 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:00:28 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on January 28, 2020, 12:25:24 PM

It's a nice ideology to have. A game where cricket does the talking and not the mouth, but we don't live in an ideal world. At least there�s a mechanism in place at international level, to deal with those situations. Me personally, I'd like to see more league level cricket sledging/abuse reduced, as some people struggle to see where the line is.

Yes, I can understand why it happens (sometimes) in professional cricket. Bur some of the stuff that goes on in recreational cricket is plain embarrassing.

I believe, and hope, there will be a law ammendment soon.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1257 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:02:42 PM »

Showers are a good place for banter.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1258 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:13:10 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 28, 2020, 02:02:42 PM

Showers are a good place for banter.

they certainly used to be your right. unfortunaltly in League cricket certainly in Middlesex no one stays for a post match beer, and believe it or not most teams leave without showering

its disgusting and you can store it up for sledging in the return matches, 'send down the piano see if he can play that and pass the soap too'

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1259 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:15:46 PM »

In a 4th XI game:

Me (non- striking bat, to opposition captain): A well- intentioned, non-hostile, "have a word with the young lad appealing for lbw from square leg".

Opposition captain: "If you don't like the game, you know what you can do."

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