Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138070 times)

hammersjr · « **Reply #1275 on:** January 28, 2020, 09:20:00 PM »

Think it would be a real shame for Denly to be dropped for Bairstow. I really hope they have got this one wrong because although he hasn�t set the world alight he has been steady and contributed to almost every game he has been part of. Spent a long time trying to find a number 3 why got back to what we�ve already seen before.

Bairstow hasn�t been performing in tests for a long time now and when he did he wanted to bat down at 7.

I�d really leave Roy, Bairstow & Buttler to the one day stuff for England and bring in a reserve keeper

Although saying all of this I could see Denly perhaps being dropped when Burns is back fit in the summer if Crawley & Sibley are performing and one of them taking the number 3 spot.

jonny77 · « **Reply #1276 on:** January 28, 2020, 09:31:43 PM »

I like Bairstow but only if we're not picking Foakes as keeper, as I'd have him at 7 over Butler. Picking him ahead of Denly would be harsh to say the least on Denly, who's done well in a transitional period.

The only thing I could see working against him is how he seemed to get tied down against spin at times in SA. Although there's no obvious replacement, so he keeps his place for me.

SurreySam · « **Reply #1277 on:** January 28, 2020, 09:37:58 PM »

Stuart Broad now fined a match fee percentage along with another demerit point added.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28581796/stuart-broad-handed-demerit-point-faf-du-plessis-altercation

Looks like Faf got away with his conduct, which I really disagree with!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1278 on:** January 28, 2020, 09:46:32 PM »

I meant Denly can bat 3 or open, so should go, even if only as a reserve.

(Erm, Burns has never batted 3?)

Manormanic · « **Reply #1279 on:** January 28, 2020, 09:52:03 PM »

Very odd selection if they do do that (though how the Grauniad knows the XI two months out...).

Jonny shouldn't be written off. There is a reasonable argument that if they won't pick Foakes he should replace Buttler. But having had no red ball cricket to rebuild his technique, a return to 3 does not make sense. Nor for that matter does dropping a batsman who is not outright failing and happens to bring a half way decent leg spin option.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #1280 on:** January 28, 2020, 10:02:15 PM »

So England win 3 tests on the Bounce on the back of a solid platform of being 100+ for 2 for when Root, Stokes, Pope etc come in. But now there is talk of a walking wicket coming in when we could be 10-1 and Root Stokes etc are then back to batting at 25-2 or what ever.

Now as is clear I am a massive Kent fan a huge fan of Crawley and Denly but how in the world can Bairstow come in and replace a guy that�s done a decent job against Australia, West Indies, New Zealand and now SA. His avg is only 30odd same as all the others but his avg is not Boosted by easy runs against the weaker nations and he plays proper red ball cricket not to mention his spin option. I know he hasn�t got the magic 3 figure score but I�d rather have 1 Denly at 3 than 5 YJB�s at 3 given the fact he game back for one test, scored bigger all and was as usually bowled through the gate.
Yes Denly maybe got tied down by spin and SL could be a struggle but surly he had earned the change to be given a chance

jonny77 · « **Reply #1281 on:** January 28, 2020, 10:11:30 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on January 28, 2020, 10:02:15 PM

So England win 3 tests on the Bounce on the back of a solid platform of being 100+ for 2 for when Root, Stokes, Pope etc come in. But now there is talk of a walking wicket coming in when we could be 10-1 and Root Stokes etc are then back to batting at 25-2 or what ever.

Now as is clear I am a massive Kent fan a huge fan of Crawley and Denly but how in the world can Bairstow come in and replace a guy that�s done a decent job against Australia, West Indies, New Zealand and now SA. His avg is only 30odd same as all the others but his avg is not Boosted by easy runs against the weaker nations and he plays proper red ball cricket not to mention his spin option. I know he hasn�t got the magic 3 figure score but I�d rather have 1 Denly at 3 than 5 YJB�s at 3 given the fact he game back for one test, scored bigger all and was as usually bowled through the gate.
Yes Denly maybe got tied down by spin and SL could be a struggle but surly he had earned the change to be given a chance

Think we're all agreed about him being dropped, if that is the case. Not sure anyone is saying Bairstow at 3 (nor even Bairstow tbh! 😆), but I'd have him ahead of Butler at 7 if Foakes isn't getting the gig for SL, which he should imo.

edge · « **Reply #1282 on:** January 29, 2020, 07:16:50 AM »

I don't think Denly could complain too hard about being dropped (even though it would seem daft considering it's a subcontinental tour next), but unless someone really is struggling you normally drop a batsman because you can replace them with a better option!

Bairstow got dropped, hasn't played any first class to press for a recall and had an absolute shocker of a match in the first test of this series. Should have been sent off to get an overseas gig this winter instead if they want him back in the test side. Would have liked to see Liam Livingstone in the conversation for SL given his previous Lions form there but his selection chances seem to have receded.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #1283 on:** January 29, 2020, 08:07:18 AM »

Quote from: edge on January 29, 2020, 07:16:50 AM

I don't think Denly could complain too hard about being dropped (even though it would seem daft considering it's a subcontinental tour next), but unless someone really is struggling you normally drop a batsman because you can replace them with a better option!

Bairstow got dropped, hasn't played any first class to press for a recall and had an absolute shocker of a match in the first test of this series. Should have been sent off to get an overseas gig this winter instead if they want him back in the test side. Would have liked to see Liam Livingstone in the conversation for SL given his previous Lions form there but his selection chances seem to have receded.

Livingstone had an absolute shocker in the two T20 matches he played for England, and that seems to have made Ed Genius Smith put a big black mark against his name in all forms for the full side. I must admit that at the time I thought he looked more out of his depth than any England batsman I had ever seen before, but players can improve, and you also can�t discount the role nerves play for some people.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #1284 on:** January 29, 2020, 08:32:55 AM »

I'm going to start by saying I don't think bairstow should have been picked,

That being said, it is a tour to Sri Lanka, spin will be a big factor,

We have two unproven openers in these conditions in Sibley and Crawley, I think Sibley may struggle personally.

Then to have denly at 3 who has shown he isn't very good against spin would be a huge risk

Having bairstow back is at least someone who has previously done well in these conditions (whilst being crap against the seamers), so it isn't as daft as most people are making out.

I totally agree that he has done nothing to earn it but it still makes some sense to me. I also think Jennings should tour as back up too and won't be overly surprised if he's at 3 for the second game coz Johnny doesn't score anything

Come the summer Crawley will be at 3 behind Sibley and Burns anyway

It's who takes the gloves is a key factor

Anyway back to the south Africa series, when do the Odis start?

SD · « **Reply #1285 on:** January 29, 2020, 09:50:51 AM »

Quote from: SurreySam on January 28, 2020, 11:37:02 AM

Can't believe some people really think Jos Butler staged or deliberately engaged in targeted sledging antics. This is why watching highlight packages is dangerous to start forming opinions, as you don't see the whole lead up and battle.

In Cape Town, Philander obstructed Jos from retrieving the ball cleanly when it was being thrown in from the field. Jos told him to get out the way and to move, Philander then tried staring him out, Stokes then chirps up saying "Don't stare him out, he's got a point mate". You then see the incident which got reported and Jos fined, which I agree with.

Then yesterday Faf does exactly the same thing, maybe to try and wind Jos up again? Someone then calls Faf an "idiot", which I think was Broad but Faf may have thought it'd come from Jos. So Faf turns to Jos saying "don't call me that" and gives him a gentle shoulder barge/nudge. In the interest of fairness over the Test Series, I hope Faf also gets a match fee fine.

The long and short of it though; there was no pre-meditated sledging in those aired instances! It was just heat of the moment stuff, when playing a competitive game at the highest and toughest level.

I must say that this was also my take on the whole incident. Philander was being a bit of a tool blocking the keepers view of the ball coming in, and the keeper let him know he wasn't happy about it. It seems crazy to me to be handing out penalties for non-incidents such as this.

The whole.demerit point system seems to me to be a hammer to crack a nut that doesn't exist. I would much rather the ICC for a grip on over rates and the amount of time it takes to restart the game after a break from rain or bad light. Those are the things that affect me as a paying spectator

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1286 on:** January 29, 2020, 09:56:28 AM »

Quote from: SD on January 29, 2020, 09:50:51 AM

I must say that this was also my take on the whole incident. Philander was being a bit of a tool blocking the keepers view of the ball coming in, and the keeper let him know he wasn't happy about it. It seems crazy to me to be handing out penalties for non-incidents such as this.

The whole.demerit point system seems to me to be a hammer to crack a nut that doesn't exist. I would much rather the ICC for a grip on over rates and the amount of time it takes to restart the game after a break from rain or bad light. Those are the things that affect me as a paying spectator

Or...

Umpires could you know.. do their job.. Stamp out verbals AND stamp out Over rates etc.. They don't HAVE to let them change gloves 10 times.. They don't HAVE to let them have drinks in non drinks breaks... They could call the capt over as soon as they see/hear any verbals and say 'stop it or I'll take action'... It would clean the game up AND give teh paying public better value.. as well as make the game better of course .

You can do it all very very easily.. they just don't want to

SD · « **Reply #1287 on:** January 29, 2020, 10:04:34 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 29, 2020, 09:56:28 AM

Or...

Umpires could you know.. do their job.. Stamp out verbals AND stamp out Over rates etc.. They don't HAVE to let them change gloves 10 times.. They don't HAVE to let them have drinks in non drinks breaks... They could call the capt over as soon as they see/hear any verbals and say 'stop it or I'll take action'... It would clean the game up AND give teh paying public better value.. as well as make the game better of course .

You can do it all very very easily.. they just don't want to

Agree entirely with speeding the game up although probably didn't need ellipses and randomly capitalised words.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #1288 on:** January 29, 2020, 02:16:38 PM »

Jofra out of t20s with elbow soreness

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1289 on:** January 29, 2020, 02:25:01 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 29, 2020, 02:16:38 PM

Jofra out of t20s with elbow soreness

not a bad thing. Hopefully Wood is pulled from the White Ball series as well.

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