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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1425 on: February 12, 2020, 08:41:36 PM »
2 things automatically sprung to my mind after tonight...

1. Something just isn't right between Morgan and Malan for him not to be playing.
2. Are we really going to open up with Buttler in the World Cup? Surely tonight showed that we have a number of people who could open but very very few who can keep a cool head at the death.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1426 on: February 12, 2020, 09:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on February 12, 2020, 07:38:24 PM
Moeen is rubbish. Take his contract away in all formats

I wish the admins would take away your forum membership instead.

His bowling was great, the batters in front of him should have finished the job.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1427 on: February 12, 2020, 09:42:56 PM »
Needed Billings to finish the job. Really pleased to see Moeen back though.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1428 on: February 12, 2020, 09:51:05 PM »
Buttler opening makes no sense. Aside from it being insanity to seperate Roy and Bairstow, Buttler is a specialist at hitting 360 which is more important after the Powerplay.

If Malan is not going to play, Stokes should bat three as a burlier version of the Root role, Jos 4, Bainton 5 and Morgan 6.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1429 on: February 12, 2020, 10:24:34 PM »
Banton has never had success outside the top 3 in limited over cricket AFAIK, why would bringing him in at 5 be sensible?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1430 on: February 13, 2020, 12:06:48 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on February 12, 2020, 10:24:34 PM
Banton has never had success outside the top 3 in limited over cricket AFAIK, why would bringing him in at 5 be sensible?

Well, I think we all agree that the other five named are shoe ins. Roy and Bairstow obviously open, and I wanted Stokes to have a few balls to play himself in. I wanted someone who can hit 360 degrees, and hence went to Banton over Malan - doubtless unlucky - and Billings, who has the shots, but has been too frantic in the past.

In truth, we're unlikely to select a specialist bat who is batting five or 6 in the format for their county. Vince, Hales, Lyth, TKC, Banton, Clarke, Livingstone and Pope all bat top 3 or 4.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1431 on: February 13, 2020, 01:00:29 PM »
The best t20 team is a bit of a pain to pick I think, Roy Buttler Morgan Stokes Moeen Rashid Archer would be my definites, possibly Jordan also. Realistically with the surfeit of openers I think Buttler drops back down to middle order and two from Banton/Bairstow/Malan play. Difficult choice that! Then it's extra seamer (probably Wood) vs finishing batsman (Denly/Billings/Livingstone) for the last spot. Have to say I don't much fancy Denly in the role he's currently playing, Livingstone probably the most likely bolter but it's been a while since he's batted there either.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1432 on: February 13, 2020, 01:11:43 PM »
Roy Malan bairstow Morgan top 4

Buttler and Stokes float

Banton spare batter in squad

Mo at 7

Jordan and archer two seamers

Rash also plays

Wood and Mahmood in the squad as well as a spinner (probably Parkinson although I'm not convinced by him)
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1433 on: February 13, 2020, 07:52:05 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on February 12, 2020, 09:51:05 PM
Buttler opening makes no sense. Aside from it being insanity to seperate Roy and Bairstow, Buttler is a specialist at hitting 360 which is more important after the Powerplay.

If Malan is not going to play, Stokes should bat three as a burlier version of the Root role, Jos 4, Bainton 5 and Morgan 6.

Buttlers averaged 47 since opening the batting in the past 2 IPL’s? And similar when he moved up to open in the big bash.....
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1434 on: February 13, 2020, 08:17:36 PM »
Bizarre decision to change a WC winning combo. Sounds like silverwood’s trying to make an impact. If it ain’t broke why fix it?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1435 on: February 14, 2020, 04:23:03 PM »
Dawid Malan has scored five T20 hundreds, more than any player in the England squad.
He has scored three T20 centuries in the last 12 months.

Can someone explain why the only one in the squad with a T20I hundred, who averages 57 at a strike rate of 155 is being left out for Joe Denly, a man who averages less than 11 at a strike rate of 98
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1436 on: February 14, 2020, 04:29:19 PM »
Another successful knock for Buttler at the top of the order too.

Morgan claimed they'd play their strongest side each game of this series, I'm not seeing much evidence of this so far...
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1437 on: February 14, 2020, 04:37:24 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2020, 04:23:03 PM
Dawid Malan has scored five T20 hundreds, more than any player in the England squad.
He has scored three T20 centuries in the last 12 months.

Can someone explain why the only one in the squad with a T20I hundred, who averages 57 at a strike rate of 155 is being left out for Joe Denly, a man who averages less than 11 at a strike rate of 98

I think the view is Malan isn't really a team player. He didn't run on the last ball of his unbeaten hundred knock I think it was, and he's been quite outspoken (rightly or wrongly) about his non-selection. FWIW I'd have him in for Denly myself too.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1438 on: February 14, 2020, 04:38:08 PM »
Sorry if this has been covered, but why is Banton in the ODI squads but not the T20I?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1439 on: February 14, 2020, 04:47:27 PM »
Just to add my thoughts, my preferred team would look something like this

Roy
Banton
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
T Curran
Jordan
Rashid
Wood

I'd be pushing Morgan down the order if we get off to a good start, and attempting to shoe-horn Moeen in when/if spin comes on, perhaps to compliment the lesser players of spin. Truth is we are absolutely spoilt with batting talent in the white ball form. I'd be happy with any of the top 7 at the crease at almost any time really, all have the potential to go massive. If Moeen can improve even more with the ball (I'd bowl him as we did last game, in the PP), Stokes being your 6th bowler is a seriously strong option.
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