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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2020, 06:25:55 PM »

First attempt at it today, not absolutely awful but could use a few tips! Big issue was the high full tosses, almost felt like the ball was slipping out the top of my hand. Any advice on how to cut down on that?

Work hard on really driving through your action.
That will help get drift too.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2020, 06:51:41 PM »

One question: why don't people switch to leg spin? I don't bowl, but when I do try and spin it, a leg action seems just as natural as an off spin action. Or am I missing something about how specialist leg spin is?

I've tried a leg spin action and I feel super uncomfortable. Feels like I've either got to dislocate my shoulder to get my arm over or bend so far at the waist that that it verges on the ridiculous. On top of that the ball did not spin. All in all I gave it a miss!!  :D

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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2020, 07:05:07 PM »

Work hard on really driving through your action.
That will help get drift too.

As in driving my back leg through towards the stumps or?
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2020, 07:45:26 PM »

Not to mention every seamer who's had enough of running in for today.
Off spin comes feels natural/easy option.
Leg spin for me, is a specialist job! Mostly one does that from childhood,
There's one guy who played in the 4th, as opener but loved bowling leggies, then he was selected for the 3rd XI as leg spinner all rounder. Year later he he's playing for the 1st XI as leggie, batting at no. 8/9, t he's a successful leggie now!
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2020, 07:53:44 PM »

Off-spin is like decorating. Everyone can do it;  few can do it well.

Leg-spin is like...  let me think about it...
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2020, 07:56:45 PM »

It has definitely had the hoped for benefit of putting less strain on my shoulder than bowling medium pace at least. Worth persevering with.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2020, 08:06:47 PM »

As in driving my back leg through towards the stumps or?

Get up and over the ball at about half past one (45 degrees).  A lot of people think in terms of 3 o' clock.

(Sorry, separate point. I'll let Buzz answer the question.)
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2020, 08:09:26 PM »

Off-spin is like decorating. Everyone can do it;  few can do it well.

Leg-spin is like...  let me think about it...
Yes! 😀 Leg spin is an art! Only few can do well 🙂
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2020, 08:13:17 PM »

If can do leg-spin at all - land a spinning ball - you are pretty much guaranteed a gig.

Still trying to think of a comparable trade...
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2020, 11:40:54 PM »

What is considered good length for spin bowling and where do you measure that distance from?  I am assuming from the wickets and about 4 to 6 meters.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2020, 12:08:10 AM »

What is considered good length for spin bowling and where do you measure that distance from?  I am assuming from the wickets and about 4 to 6 meters.

Hedley verity was on the money when he described the optimum spinners length as a short half volley.

Always err on the side of overpitching rather than underpitching. A low full toss is better then a long hop.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2020, 01:15:15 AM »

What is considered good length for spin bowling and where do you measure that distance from?  I am assuming from the wickets and about 4 to 6 meters.

I've started quite late to cricket in general, nevermind starting out as a spinner. Here's what has worked for me so far and I assume it's mostly the same for any type of bowler.

Time in the nets. Not only with mates but also on my own. That and looking where I want to put the ball has helped me in getting about the length I want. The approx length depends on what I'm trying to do, cramp him, aim at the wicket or get him to play to the field. No guarantees of course but it's good to have a plan. Using red/white balls and filming what I am trying to do with the ball and what the ball actually does helps in getting the gap between the two to be smaller. Vary your pace and position on the crease so you're disturbing his rhythm/timing without disturbing yours. Don't vary it too much though. Was told to 'always keep your arm as high as possible on release' then realising I can bowl spin with my arm being lower causing a flatter/turning delivery which is quite handy on bouncy wickets. It's not above their eyeline but it can threaten their wicket or at least make them think. For batsmen who have good/quick footwork, it's normally your stock ball or an awful delivery that gets them out (if you're lucky). Don't ignore that voice in your head.

Accept that even your best ball is going to get hit. It doesn't matter if all you can do is admire the shot. The next ball, the stakes are still about the same for both of you.

I did get a training session from a proper spinner but I think due to my age (old dogs etc.), the most I got out of the session was more confidence.

That's my take on things. I've found it to be a great learning curve.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2020, 12:46:26 PM »

A good tip from the freddie wilde book, as an offie if you are under the cosh, set a deep point and bowl short and wide outside the off stump, effectively giving the batter a single.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2020, 11:49:22 AM »

Much improved at nets yesterday, felt the ball was coming out much more easily and was a lot more accurate. Tighter grip definitely helped but the big change was a much shorter run up, just a few steps. What kind of run up are other club offies using?
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2020, 11:56:33 AM »

I come off 10 and a half steps for "rythm" but I can come off about 2 steps if I want to rush through some overs
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