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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #240 on: June 18, 2020, 03:24:08 PM »

Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?

30+ but I'd also expect them to bat to the situation. Bairstow has been bowled playing expansive drives a number of times when what was needed was someone to knuckle down, bat time and shepherd the tail. England actually don't necessarily have a weak tail, Woakes/Curran/Leach/Broad/Wood all have Test 50s, as does Jimmy and Archer has shown he can bat at FC level.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #241 on: June 18, 2020, 03:53:37 PM »

Bairstow's got a massive technical flaw in his batting and everyone knows all about it now, very much a Gary Ballance situation imo.

Moeen for me is a great selection if we play two spinners, particularly in the subcontinent where he tends to do well with the bat, but he's not quite there in either department as a test specialist.

Buttler v Foakes with the gloves for me - Buttler is just too good not to give him every chance to succeed, even if tests possibly isn't his natural game. If time gets called on that experiment then Foakes is obviously perfectly capable of doing the job. Average-wise? Your keeper needs to be 30+ at 7, ideally 35+. I think they're both capable of that. If batting 6 they need to pull their weight as a genuine bat, but that's unlikely in the current England side.

One thing, I really hope they televise the intra-squad game/s! Hugely interested to see how some of the younger players get on if they get a chance.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #242 on: June 18, 2020, 04:15:12 PM »

I really don't see how they can change much from the winter, remember they have played zero cricket!

Not even a few CC matches...... nothing. Apart from a inter-squad practice match.

How do you then bring someone in?

The only selection issue/change I can see is Burns back in now he is fit, so does Crawley keep his place and replace Denly at 3.

Other than that i think it will be the same team as SA.
Sibley, Burns, Crawley or Denly, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler,
Bess as the spinner, Curran to keep his place, Broad and Anderson

With the caveat that Root's wife is due early July!
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #243 on: June 18, 2020, 04:32:19 PM »

I wouldn't like to be the guy who had to go tell Jofra he was being left out against the Windies! Mostly agree though, barring big surprises in the squad games the selections will be Denly v Crawley (I'd bat Burns 3 personally as Sibley/Crawley clearly go well together), Bess v Leach and the seam attack where who knows. Can we please pick Jofra, Wood and Stone/JOverton? :D
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #244 on: June 18, 2020, 04:37:25 PM »

Jofra wood and stone would be well worth watching!

i think crawley suits 3 more than burns but any of them 3 can bat in any positions tbh
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #245 on: June 18, 2020, 05:31:26 PM »

I wouldn't like to be the guy who had to go tell Jofra he was being left out against the Windies! Mostly agree though, barring big surprises in the squad games the selections will be Denly v Crawley (I'd bat Burns 3 personally as Sibley/Crawley clearly go well together), Bess v Leach and the seam attack where who knows. Can we please pick Jofra, Wood and Stone/JOverton? :D

Oops! Yep my bad Jofra definitely going to play.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #246 on: June 18, 2020, 06:30:49 PM »

Glad the chat on here has return to the cricket, very good news  :)

Agree with @six and out , not much has changed. Keeping wise a lot of us would have Foakes and if Ali does play we have batting strength in depth so that could be how he gets in the side going forward.

Butler is in possession and whilst he had not had a good run of last he has scored some decent runs over the last 18 months-so a bit more time for him should not really upset too many people. He needs to score and  probably would of kept in Sri Lanka.

Bairstow is done I hope he does not get any more test caps, he has no technique or Temperament for the longer form, one days great he has been excellent since he got back in.

Know the are some doubters from our armchairs on Denly but I think he has done a decent job if not pulled up any trees-he got some difficult runs but also got in and out a bit,which is frustrating.

May be time for Crawley, highly rated and has youth on his side. Burns back to his usual place at the top with Sibley.

Mo is a tricky one, not in my side but it's been clear since Ashley Giles went to his house that England want him back in as soon as he is available. On that basis I think he will play.

Windies I think will cause us all sorts of problems in this series, I make them a good bet to beat us. yes really.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #247 on: June 19, 2020, 05:58:16 AM »

Michael Vaughan stance on recreational cricket I think he’s spot on.

“Life is getting back to normal for most people and it is time club cricket returned otherwise it runs the risk of losing hundreds of players who may never come back to the sport.

My biggest concern is that over the past four weeks a lot of recreational cricketers have joined golf clubs just to be active.

Memberships are soaring at golf clubs where I live in Cheshire and in Sheffield, where I grew up. A large number of those golfers will be casual recreational cricketers. Will cricket tempt them back? Will they now see golf as their alternative to playing cricket on a Saturday?

Golf is done and dusted in four hours, it does not take the full day which makes it more conducive to family life. That is dangerous for cricket.

I can see no reason why cricket cannot be played now, particularly as shops are open again and the Premier League is back, albeit with restrictions in place. Drive around and you see people in parks and getting on with life. Some people adhere to the rules in supermarkets, but most do not. We have had thousands rightly exercising their democtratic right to demonstrate but we cannot play cricket, a team sport that lends itself to social distancing better than any other.

It is played outdoors, where the risk of transmission is so much smaller, and you can easily put in place restrictions to keep people apart.

The only issue is the ball. But players are well aware now that they should not use saliva. They could have a small bottle of hand sanitizer in their pocket, arrive at grounds ready to play, stop sharing kit, bring their own food and play Twenty20 just to minimise contact. You can’t tell me that poses much of a threat after what we have seen in the last two weeks with shops reopening.

I understand why the internationals are the most important priority for the England & Wales Cricket Board because the game needs the television revenue, but recreational cricket should come next on the list.

Realistically, club cricket should be starting now. If there are people who are vulnerable with underlying health conditions, or live with people who need protecting then of course they will be concerned and might not want to play. That is understandable. But there are lots of kids in particular who are not in that situation and just want to play cricket.

Let’s get the game going. I just hope the ECB are taking this seriously and not just focussing purely on the internationals. There is a bigger picture to this. The ECB’s drive over recent years has been to increase participation. Now the interest gained from winning the 2019 World Cup and Ben Stokes’ Headingley heroics will all be lost if they are not careful. It is hard enough as it is now to get first and second teams out on Saturday. Good luck trying to do it in 2021if we have not had any cricket since September 2019.

What is frustrating is many cricket clubs around the country are struggling so have furloughed staff. They are likely to wait until the ECB gives the green light in July before bringing staff back to work. These grounds are going to take a couple of weeks to get anything like ready to play. If the groundstaff have been furloughed then who has been looking after pitches? You can’t suddenly arrive and play on a pitch. It needs preparing which is why I would like to see the game get ahead of the curve now.

I tweeted Oliver Dowden, the culture minister, this week asking why cricket could not return now. He replied saying they are working on it and pointed to early July at the earliest, provided it can be played safely.

Early July is three weeks away. Come on. Another three weeks before they make a decision, then another couple of weeks to prepare a grounds means they will not start until the end of July. That would give us just one full month in August. Realistically, kids will have four weeks to play before going back to school.

In my opinion, we should have had that green light by now, particularly for junior cricket. I have suggested before playing schools cricket in September to extend the season but nobody seems to want to change because that is when they play rugby.  But rugby is unlikely to be back by then so why can’t we play cricket in September instead? I bet we don’t because nobody is willing to change the system.

The frustration I have with cricket is there are a lot of people who care passionately about it but not willing to change. Too many have accepted we are going to lose the 2020 season. Well, we are not. We have lost half the season but we can save the rest. Get on with it.”
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #248 on: June 19, 2020, 06:27:05 AM »

As much as Vaughan can be a pratt a lot of the time, he is right and it is great to see him getting involved and pressurizing the ECB and government.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #249 on: June 19, 2020, 08:00:04 AM »

Think he got it spot on when he said clubs need some notice to get pitches ready if the season is going to go ahead.

He’s doing well pushing for recreational cricket to resume

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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #250 on: June 19, 2020, 08:45:10 AM »

All good pressure yet as long as the government keep it to a max of 6 meeting up.

Cricket can not start. Despite what Vaughan or anyone else want ( myself included)

ECB have been pretty slow generally yet I hope they are prepared for when it can start though :-)

I can’t blame them for us not starting yet as it is not under there control
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #251 on: June 19, 2020, 10:00:18 AM »

All good pressure yet as long as the government keep it to a max of 6 meeting up.

Cricket can not start. Despite what Vaughan or anyone else want ( myself included)

ECB have been pretty slow generally yet I hope they are prepared for when it can start though :-)

I can’t blame them for us not starting yet as it is not under there control

Sorry but although it might not be the ECB's final decision there is no way the government are actually making the decision really. Oliver Dowden/the government know naff all about the specifics of cricket, so it is down to the ECB to tell the them and give reccomendations. And that is where they are simply failing recreational cricket.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #252 on: June 19, 2020, 10:12:13 AM »

Sorry but although it might not be the ECB's final decision there is no way the government are actually making the decision really. Oliver Dowden/the government know naff all about the specifics of cricket, so it is down to the ECB to tell the them and give reccomendations. And that is where they are simply failing recreational cricket.

completely agree that they should be advising the government - how do you know the ECB have not been and the government have decided not to change the 6 person limit?

In addition, we are a very small section in society so I am sure that the economic areas - such as retail - have been given higher priority to reopen than sport - specifically cricket.

If cricket doesn't come back but the country restarts. I'm ok with that

the "alert level" has been moved form 4 down to 3 whilst I have been writing this response so we may see some new direction in the coming days. especially now there seems to be attention on this topic via social media

fingers crossed
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #253 on: June 19, 2020, 12:22:56 PM »

Glos Cricket board have emailed clubs to see who can be ready to be in a position to play some form of cricket in july

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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #254 on: June 19, 2020, 02:47:20 PM »

Glos Cricket board have emailed clubs to see who can be ready to be in a position to play some form of cricket in july

Wilts are tentatively planning the same mate, early July is the hope. Not sure what the format will look like as of yet though.
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