Topic: Keeley cricket and the industry generally (Read 25970 times)

roco · « **Reply #120 on:** May 26, 2020, 06:18:17 PM »

Having been to a fair few batmakers including gm and b3 plus having had a few Keeleys the difference in machining is stark

From what I remember Keeleys have old slaz 3 axis vertical spindle and b3 has newer version of same but gm have 5 axis super terminator machine so can produce more volume of bats at faster rate with interesting profiles

As far as I remember as well handmade was mostly hand made and handcrafted was using a machine like copy lathe or Cnc in process which is ok by me and I don�t see Nike or Adidas publishing how they make trainers or T-shirt�s so never got this debate but cricket is weird as people get backs up due to tradition and image of a podshaver whirling away like Julian Nikki champ but if making bulk no maker does that as just not cost effective

On pricing I agree it�s gone nuts but if people keep paying prices will keep going up

Remember that Newbury for �1000 limited edition and all 25 sold in first week, laver signature if people will pay stupid money then more power to brands

I personally shop around and tend to find what I want between �200-�350 for good bat for me

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #121 on:** May 26, 2020, 06:51:39 PM »

As if said a plethora of times,

I do not care if a bat is CNC made. Absolutely no problem with it whatsoever, actually I quite like the accuracy it provides. However, what I don't like is a lack of transparency. That is all...for the umpteenth time.

I agree with many comments saying that it is the prerogative of the company, which it totally is, but that doesn't make it right that there is a 300-350 pound difference between 2 vendors of keeley Pro bats.its mugging the consumer off in my opinion.

roco · « **Reply #122 on:** May 26, 2020, 07:08:15 PM »

I�m fascinated by this in cricket as this argument crops up a lot

Do other industries advertise how products Are made? as I can�t see why you feel makers need to

Do you feel cheated by them using a machine or do you think they are misleading buyers by not blazing it across websites?

How do you propose they do this? Strict regulation which states if any machine used in process needs to say machine and hand made?

Gurujames · « **Reply #123 on:** May 26, 2020, 07:24:53 PM »

The agricultural industry is very keen to provide provenance for their goods and in that regard I have a lot of time for leachy�s point of view. However, as CNC is accurate to a fraction of a mm I�m surprised that there is anything more than sanding to do once it�s finished. Perhaps the industry could increase production and reduce prices with better CAD drawings. 😃

potzy248 · « **Reply #124 on:** May 26, 2020, 08:16:14 PM »

Wow. Went to bed in this thread had 2 pages and wake up it has 9 lol.

Clearly a nerve has been hit by bringing up Keeley (thou shalt not bad mouth Keeley)... I can see this thread about an Asian brand ending after 1 page.

So, what I gather @LEACHY48 is your problem is with transparency, it took me a while to get your point about this and it was only after reading your last post that I came to this realisation. Just my opinion but Keeley do Handcraft their bats to a degree so thats fine. I don't think Keeley or any batmaker needs to say they use a CNC machine but certainly shouldn't deny or be ashamed that they do which I'm sure they don't because I've been there and they showed me the process and they have photos of their machined clefts. I didn't know Salix use part mades, I do now.
I think you need a level of transparency that is higher than mine and thats totally fine, its your money mate.

edge · « **Reply #125 on:** May 26, 2020, 08:21:55 PM »

Just the hand-made debate has some mileage in it I think rather than it being particularly about Keeley. I'm fully in agreement with Leachy about the handles though - thin handles are vile and that would stop me buying a Keeley branded bat, regardless of everything else!

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #126 on:** May 26, 2020, 08:52:38 PM »

As if there weren't enough flippant arguments being presented for a very simple point I was trying to make and have been trying to make all along.

ppccopener · « **Reply #127 on:** May 26, 2020, 08:53:29 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on May 26, 2020, 08:39:22 PM

I was outraged when I bought my B3's that they needed a chap to shape the handle and finish the blade. The don't advertise that on their website and I feel conned to not have a 100% CAD/ CNC futuristic experience.

Hmmm you may have a point. An unnamed bat maker has made by humans on the back of the bats, total CNC would prevent a 12 year old girl getting a 2lb 15oz bat that picks up well.

edge · « **Reply #128 on:** May 26, 2020, 08:54:06 PM »

Lolz. Just wait until cricket really embraces the future and goes carbon fibre... hand layup by skilled artisans vs 3d printed by mad robots, who do you want making your bats?

KW9221 · « **Reply #129 on:** May 26, 2020, 09:01:06 PM »

Only if this CNC machine can score and field for me..my old knee can use some futuristic experience

Dazz · « **Reply #130 on:** May 26, 2020, 09:15:32 PM »

Quote from: potzy248 on May 26, 2020, 08:16:14 PM

Wow. Went to bed in this thread had 2 pages and wake up it has 9 lol.

Clearly a nerve has been hit by bringing up Keeley (thou shalt not bad mouth Keeley)... I can see this thread about an Asian brand ending after 1 page.

So, what I gather @LEACHY48 is your problem is with transparency, it took me a while to get your point about this and it was only after reading your last post that I came to this realisation. Just my opinion but Keeley do Handcraft their bats to a degree so thats fine. I don't think Keeley or any batmaker needs to say they use a CNC machine but certainly shouldn't deny or be ashamed that they do which I'm sure they don't because I've been there and they showed me the process and they have photos of their machined clefts. I didn't know Salix use part mades, I do now.
I think you need a level of transparency that is higher than mine and thats totally fine, its your money mate.

Salix definitely don�t use part made bats!! They do however use a copy lathe/profiler which is what was referred to.

brokenbat · « **Reply #131 on:** May 27, 2020, 01:12:32 AM »

This might be a dumb question, but why does it need to be advertised what percentage of the bat is shaped by hand or CNC? Does using a drawknife inject extra ping into a bat? I have heard phrases like �hundred percent handmade� and �CNC free� But I always ignore them.. Does it make one iota of difference what metal tool is being used to shave off extra wood?

Any reasonably skilled carpenter can copy any bat shape you show him.

The only part of bat making that actually makes a difference is the pressing and handling. I love the way Laver and Wood press and handle their bats - would i stop buying from them if they switch To CNC? Of course not. In fact i would be happier - because some of their bats show up with uneven edges!

If you want to shape bats by hand as a hobby, more power to you. If you want to make bats as a business, you�d be foolish to ignore the technological innovation out there and risk ending up like that grumpy xenophobic guy on YouTube/Facebook who claims all his 2lb12oz bats pick up lighter than 2lb8

potzy248 · « **Reply #132 on:** May 27, 2020, 02:36:33 AM »

Quote from: Dazz on May 26, 2020, 09:15:32 PM

Salix definitely don�t use part made bats!! They do however use a copy lathe/profiler which is what was referred to.

Oh ok. So they have just part shaped all those bats in house? Sorry It just looked that way. My bad.

Mfarank · « **Reply #133 on:** May 27, 2020, 11:29:42 AM »

here's something that i feel is dishonest in the cricket industry. brands should clearly specify the origin of manufacture of their bats. not that there is any problem with it. if i can wave around my "assembled in China" iphone and rock my "made in bangladesh" Adidas shirt, i have zero problems if my Kookaburra bat says made in India on it. there's nothing wrong with it but that is something i believe should clearly be mentioned. its usually present in softs but i genuinely feel brands are ashamed to say their bats are made in India

Mfarank · « **Reply #134 on:** May 27, 2020, 12:01:11 PM »

Quote from: skip1973 on May 27, 2020, 11:53:15 AM

They do in Australia, not sure if laws are different in UK.

Really? Do the indian made Kookas and Gray nics in the aussie range say they're made in india? I have a lot of problems with Pakistani bats and manufacturers but they do wear the "made in Pakistan" on every bat they make with pride

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