Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123905 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #240 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:38:34 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 12, 2020, 04:36:31 PM

Stokes� should�ve bowled more. Always makes something happen

Definatley but presume he has some issue with his toe which might explain it

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #241 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:53:36 PM »

With 6 runs needed, i think we all know the result.

So im gonna start the post match discussions now with some positives!

Zak Crawley is starting to look like a test player, a nervous starter but deserves a run in the side, archer has looked better second innings and Bess is definitely our best spinner (he should have bowled more this innings imo)

also Ben Foakes has got a much better player again during this game without playing, he just cant be ignored for much longer he just cant.

now the negatives, the toss was wrong we needed broad and batted terribly first dig and the evening session day 4. Toss put us under undue pressure with a very green and untested top order.

but the most important thing to say, Well done West Indies, the better side won!

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #242 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:56:25 PM »

Wrong decision at the toss but we fought until the end and we weren�t far from almost getting over the line.

Three changes for Manchester:
Root > Denly
Leach > Bess
Broad > Anderson

Stokes showed no faith at all in Bess today and West Indies have 10 right handers, so Leach is a better option.
Anderson faded a bit today. Let him get refreshed for the third test.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #243 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:58:16 PM »

No way should Bess be replaced, Stokes is stand in skipper, and he picked the quick men so they had to bowl

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #244 on:** July 12, 2020, 05:00:14 PM »

Essentially a fourth day pitch with wear and Bess was unthreatening.

rickjames · « **Reply #245 on:** July 12, 2020, 05:01:28 PM »

I think Bess bowled pretty well, just doesn't help much when you've got these massive footholes they've only one leftie in the team.

For me, Root, Foakes and Broad in for Denly, Buttler and Wood; Buttler is a luxury player this team cannot afford to have when it suffers from batting collapse time and time again.

No issues with the toss and thought Stokes captained the side pretty well, just didn't bat well enough in either innings; 50 more runs and it'd possibly be more interesting.

ppccopener · « **Reply #246 on:** July 12, 2020, 05:02:04 PM »

Yep well done the West Indies.

Dropping Broad with no sign he is getting worse(his record over the last 18 months it's pretty good) was a mistake. The toss did play a part but normally the team that plays better still wins over 4 or 5 days.

Our team has had some changes, a few players with not much experience, that's why I think Denly can do a job but....Crawley will improve so one of those two Crawley should stay when Root comes back.
Bes has bowled well perhaps a bit unlucky.

Keeping I'm a big fan of specialist keeper, as it happens Foakes also is a good bat with a FC record which is perfectly good enough.

Foakes in for me, not back to Bairstow. bowlers are a bit more tricky, Archer kicked on in the second innings, where was he in the first?

pablomarmite · « **Reply #247 on:** July 12, 2020, 05:25:19 PM »

The selection and toss are linked. Pick Broad and you bowl with those overheads first but with Wood and Archer you looking at batting first and using their extra pace on a fourth innings up and down deck. The flaw a day was lost and not enough runs to defend. Well done Windies any away win is a very good win. I know it is hindsight but I would have picked Broad instead of Wood and bowled first. I agree on Foakes I don't think there could be a player who has been more unfairly treated considering the amount of chances some others have got. The problem is that would be three changes if Root in for Denly too and they don't like doing that. Arguably Leach for Bess too and there's four changes.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #248 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:12:53 PM »

Wheres this Leach for bess come from? bess bowled well in this game, kept it tidy and took key first innings wickets, underused in the second

Did well in south africa when called upon and was the pick in the warm up game too

pablomarmite · « **Reply #249 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:24:10 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on July 12, 2020, 06:12:53 PM

Wheres this Leach for bess come from? bess bowled well in this game, kept it tidy and took key first innings wickets, underused in the second

Did well in south africa when called upon and was the pick in the warm up game too

That is where it comes from not bowled in second innings. As a captain if you don't bowl someone you don't fancy them. The fact he wasn't bowled much means why pick him. Pick someone you will bowl. I like him as a cricketer but you would normally have your spinner bowling all day at one end on the final day and didn't happen. The fact they have few left handers suggests he is at risk. His biggest wicket taking delivery is undercutter and did they believe he could bowl them out today the fact he bowled so little suggests not.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #250 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:24:58 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on July 12, 2020, 06:12:53 PM

Wheres this Leach for bess come from? bess bowled well in this game, kept it tidy and took key first innings wickets, underused in the second

Did well in south africa when called upon and was the pick in the warm up game too

If South Africa�s the barometer it�s irrelevant they can�t play spin at all.

West Indies have 10 right handers, could be 11 in the next match if Campbell�s foot is broken.

Bess was �under bowled� because he couldn�t create pressure.

ppccopener · « **Reply #251 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:34:34 PM »

Not sure I'm following the last couple of comments

Bess didn't bowl enough because we didn't have enough runs for him that Stokes could set attacking fields?

Bess did not bowl enough because regardless of the runs we had he still couldn't bowl a tight enough line?

How is any finger spinner to get wickets if the batsmen don't think a mistake will get them out, as in a close catchers around the wicket not caught at deep mid on?

six and out · « **Reply #252 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:36:42 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 12, 2020, 06:24:58 PM

If South Africa�s the barometer it�s irrelevant they can�t play spin at all.

West Indies have 10 right handers, could be 11 in the next match if Campbell�s foot is broken.

Bess was �under bowled� because he couldn�t create pressure.

I would argue that he couldn't create pressure because he had the wrong field, he had point on the boundary the majority of the time leaving an easy single there, which just seemed crazy.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #253 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:52:53 PM »

Bess had the wrong field because he kept bowling to full. How many times did he get nailed through the covers? I understand Bess is a project player but if he's totally ineffective on a wearing pitch what's the point of playing him?

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #254 on:** July 12, 2020, 06:54:55 PM »

Bess was robbed of a plumb LBW by "umpires call" and had a chance dropped because Stokes was too proactive in moving to anticipate a shot.

He's 22 years old with bags of talent, there's no way he should be dropped after this game because he didn't take 11 wickets in the second innings.

I'm honestly not sure who's worse, Ed Smith it the CBF selection panel...

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