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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #435 on: July 17, 2020, 04:23:13 PM »

How many to save Buttler's spot?
50? 70?!

one suspects that will be enough for Ed Smith to justify his selection for the rest of the Summer
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« Reply #436 on: July 17, 2020, 04:29:44 PM »

not to be controversial but surely buttlers strike rate there wasnt good enough.

hes in the side to tee off against a weary side so we should be wanting 70 odd off 50 odd balls.

youve got a better keeper in foakes on the sidelines who can score 40 off 70.

if on a batting perspective they are equal (in tests i think they are at worst but buttler is inferior imo) then you go with the better keeper surely?
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #437 on: July 17, 2020, 04:41:31 PM »

Gabriel with a new take on the Nathan Lyon fumble
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« Reply #438 on: July 17, 2020, 04:41:37 PM »

That's terrible from Gabriel! How's he messed that run out up!
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« Reply #439 on: July 17, 2020, 05:11:09 PM »

That's terrible from Gabriel! How's he messed that run out up!

Excused...they have put a double shift in fielding and are knackered

Root needs to take the ball off Broady and see if there’s turn there for Bess.

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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #440 on: July 17, 2020, 05:46:50 PM »

That was err, plumb
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« Reply #441 on: July 17, 2020, 05:49:07 PM »

not to be controversial but surely buttlers strike rate there wasnt good enough.

Not controversial at all, it was shameful. Sorry guys, I know we need some quick runs but my mate Ed might have to drop me so...
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #442 on: July 17, 2020, 05:49:30 PM »

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« Reply #443 on: July 17, 2020, 06:02:56 PM »

And one not given and not reviewed, ffs
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #444 on: July 17, 2020, 06:03:19 PM »

Missed one there!
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #445 on: July 17, 2020, 06:29:07 PM »

He currently has a higher average than any NZ opener in living memory. So im sure he'll cross the wagner bridge when he comes to it

"Currently" haha what a joker... And NZ openers are probably not where you want to set your bar.

All I said is that he is hard to watch, not that he's not doing a great job. You guys hate other people's opinions over there don't you.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #446 on: July 17, 2020, 08:53:16 PM »

"Currently" haha what a joker... And NZ openers are probably not where you want to set your bar.

All I said is that he is hard to watch, not that he's not doing a great job. You guys hate other people's opinions over there don't you.

Ok so my original response was deleted. Obviously the mods get offended by any cross country discussion but are happy for GerrySA mark4 to continue his merry way.

You actually said Wagner would find him out and he was limited. All ill say is - if you dont like the word 'currently' then how about this - Dom Sibley will FINISH his career with a higher average than any NZ opener in living memory. Probably any opener in the history of NZ cricket. Facts upon facts. No joking about it.
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« Reply #447 on: July 17, 2020, 09:48:50 PM »

Ok so my original response was deleted. Obviously the mods get offended by any cross country discussion but are happy for GerrySA mark4 to continue his merry way.

You actually said Wagner would find him out and he was limited. All ill say is - if you dont like the word 'currently' then how about this - Dom Sibley will FINISH his career with a higher average than any NZ opener in living memory. Probably any opener in the history of NZ cricket. Facts upon facts. No joking about it.

"Currently" Jack Leach has a better opening average than all NZ Openers  :D We certainly struggle in the Opening batsman category thats for sure. Tom Latham I think will end with a very good Career though. We're not as fortunate to have such good openers as English cricket seems to keep producing.

I think you misunderstand what a fact is, for example when I said Wagner would find him out, thats not fact thats just me making an observation based on what I have seen from his leg side play it wont become a fact unless it happens like if Sibley ends with a test record above Latham (It could certainly happen, but its not a fact).
The fact is England Openers don't last long and Id be surprised looking at Sibley and his lack of scoring ability in certain areas plus the fact he gets beaten a lot, knicks towards slips, struggles when the ball is around his hip that he wont get found out by good bowling (No not NZ bowling as we are clearly trash in your eyes) but Australia et al. He is limited, look at the field they set for him against spin. Cook was limited but that doesn't mean he's not great.

Stop living up to your sterotype...  :o





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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #448 on: July 17, 2020, 10:24:22 PM »

"Currently" Jack Leach has a better opening average than all NZ Openers  :D We certainly struggle in the Opening batsman category thats for sure. Tom Latham I think will end with a very good Career though. We're not as fortunate to have such good openers as English cricket seems to keep producing.

I think you misunderstand what a fact is, for example when I said Wagner would find him out, thats not fact thats just me making an observation based on what I have seen from his leg side play it wont become a fact unless it happens like if Sibley ends with a test record above Latham (It could certainly happen, but its not a fact).
The fact is England Openers don't last long and Id be surprised looking at Sibley and his lack of scoring ability in certain areas plus the fact he gets beaten a lot, knicks towards slips, struggles when the ball is around his hip that he wont get found out by good bowling (No not NZ bowling as we are clearly trash in your eyes) but Australia et al. He is limited, look at the field they set for him against spin. Cook was limited but that doesn't mean he's not great.

Stop living up to your sterotype...  :o

Some pointless drivel in there and also a bit of an insult. But I wont stoop to that. Deflects from the point in hand. Sibley will average more that any NZ opener EVER! Ive just looked at the stats. Very very poor set of openers from that corner of the world.

And no I dont think NZs bowling is poor, very good in fact. Not a fan of Wagners style but I appreciate the job he does and Southee and Boult are up there with the best new ball pairs in the world (in helpful conditions). Not sure why you'd think that, I never once said NZs bowling was poor (or trash as you americans say). But Sibley will score runs against them. Wait and see.

Latham is decent agreed but already Sibley averages more and has only played on green mambas in SA and now England which has the lowest opening average in world cricket.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #449 on: July 17, 2020, 11:19:37 PM »

Some pointless drivel in there and also a bit of an insult. But I wont stoop to that. Deflects from the point in hand. Sibley will average more that any NZ opener EVER! Ive just looked at the stats. Very very poor set of openers from that corner of the world.

And no I dont think NZs bowling is poor, very good in fact. Not a fan of Wagners style but I appreciate the job he does and Southee and Boult are up there with the best new ball pairs in the world (in helpful conditions). Not sure why you'd think that, I never once said NZs bowling was poor (or trash as you americans say). But Sibley will score runs against them. Wait and see.

Latham is decent agreed but already Sibley averages more and has only played on green mambas in SA and now England which has the lowest opening average in world cricket.

"Not a fan of Wagners style but appreciate the job he does" Pretty much exactly what I said (shrugging shoulders).

I will certainly be the first to say I was wrong if Sibley ends with a better average than Latham (Mid 40's I'm being optimistic like yourself)

Just a bit of banter and different opinions mate, I know you guys can handle yourselves with banter. Anyway our tiny nation has a better batsman than anyone you have currently so we do ok  :D
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