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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #570 on: July 23, 2020, 04:37:13 PM »
Exactly right Cat.. Woakes and Curran?  remain in with one batsman out
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« Reply #571 on: July 23, 2020, 05:21:43 PM »
If we drop a batsman, more so Crawley, it means shuffling the batting order. Root doesn’t like 3. Would Pope bat 3?

Easiest option would be 4 quicks and Root as the spinner
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #572 on: July 23, 2020, 06:08:09 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 23, 2020, 05:21:43 PM
If we drop a batsman, more so Crawley, it means shuffling the batting order. Root doesn’t like 3. Would Pope bat 3?

Easiest option would be 4 quicks and Root as the spinner

It would and the weather may play a part in the final decision.its a tough call either way. A batsman out would prob be number 6 for a one off match
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« Reply #573 on: July 23, 2020, 09:51:20 PM »
It is much easier to choose a balanced team if you leave out Anderson, I also don't think he is one of our too three out and out bowlers any more.

Depending on the pitch, I would be tempted to leave out Bess and play Woakes, Curran, Archer and Broad.

If we need a spinner I would reluctantly not pick Sam.

They aren't going to change the batting so, that is a bit of a non starter.

I suspect they will bottle it and go with Archer, Broad and Jimmy.
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« Reply #574 on: July 23, 2020, 10:04:00 PM »
Genuinely believe that root is better than ‘part time’

Not saying he’s a front line spinner by any stretch but I think that he could do a job if you wanted to pick 4 seamers
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« Reply #575 on: July 24, 2020, 12:07:02 AM »
I feel sorry for Anderson. He took 5/40 in his last test against South Africa, but I think this Old Trafford test match might have been where he would have wanted to retire, with a full home crowd. England's bowling attack is kind of ready to move on, too.

I hope he takes 20 wickets in this match though, if selected.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #576 on: July 24, 2020, 06:24:54 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on July 23, 2020, 09:51:20 PM
It is much easier to choose a balanced team if you leave out Anderson, I also don't think he is one of our too three out and out bowlers any more.


Pardon?

Who are the three better than him?
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #577 on: July 24, 2020, 06:58:24 AM »
On form, Broad, Woakes and Jofra.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #578 on: July 24, 2020, 07:03:22 AM »
By form you mean the one Test match hes played this summer? I'll give you Broad. Archer is still less consistent and Woakes no where near as threatening as Anderson.

With the Dukes ball hes lethal and Im pretty sure the Windies would be delighted if hes left out.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #579 on: July 24, 2020, 07:15:08 AM »
Doesn’t Woakes have and even better record than Anderson in England? Not agreeing he’s a better bowler but ‘nowhere near as threatening’ is miles off the mark.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #580 on: July 24, 2020, 07:22:29 AM »
Woakes has a better average in England than Anderson.
Plus with Stokes injured there is no safety valve if Jimmy breaks down.
This idea that a 38 year old who has only played one game without getting injured in a year is first choice is laughable.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #581 on: July 24, 2020, 07:37:53 AM »
If Stokes can't bowl a full allocation then you need a lot of middle overs filling - Wood/Archer give you much more potency there and a different option. Given the skies in Manchester are grey (for a change) I can't see spin coming into it too much. I'd have Root bowling the 10-12 spin overs in the day and Wood/Archer/Broad/Anderson covering the balance. Knowing Stokes he'll probably bowl 5 anyway.

If you have to lengthen the batting then it's Woakes for Broad/Anderson. Personally I'd tell Archer to play responsibly for a change and bat him 8 with Wood 9 (who can bat), and Broad 10 who is capable albeit his head has gone. Frankly the top 7 should be getting us to 300+ - you can't pick bowlers based on batting ability when you have to bowl a side out twice in (probably) a shortened game to win the series.

Who would the Windies hate to face - Anderson (ridiculous skill and it'll swing around), Wood (pace), Archer (pace + swing). So it's those 3 plus Broad/Woakes I think.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #582 on: July 24, 2020, 07:44:50 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on July 24, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
Woakes has a better average in England than Anderson.
Plus with Stokes injured there is no safety valve if Jimmy breaks down.
This idea that a 38 year old who has only played one game without getting injured in a year is first choice is laughable.

The idea that a man with 500+ test wickets is not first choice till the day he retires is more laughable.
Broad and Anderson 2nd and 3rd names on the teamsheet for me today (after Sir Ben).

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #583 on: July 24, 2020, 07:51:34 AM »
I think the only decision is Anderson or archer, and that should be based on conditions.

if its as slow as the last deck then why go for archer, surely Anderson will get the most of the conditions

burns
sibley
crawley
root
stokes
pope
buttler
woakes
bess
broad
archer/anderson
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #584 on: July 24, 2020, 08:38:16 AM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on July 24, 2020, 07:44:50 AM
The idea that a man with 500+ test wickets is not first choice till the day he retires is more laughable.
Broad and Anderson 2nd and 3rd names on the teamsheet for me today (after Sir Ben).

The whole "you get to always play and choose when you retire" thing is something I don't agree with. There isn't room for sentiment in this series. It is the deciding test and we need to win.
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