Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123750 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #675 on:** July 27, 2020, 12:33:18 PM »

Meanwhile the ODI squad has been announced - and it would be hard for it to have been less adventurous!

Jimbo · « **Reply #676 on:** July 27, 2020, 01:36:22 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 27, 2020, 12:33:18 PM

Meanwhile the ODI squad has been announced - and it would be hard for it to have been less adventurous!

No Hain, someone is having a laugh.

six and out · « **Reply #677 on:** July 27, 2020, 02:30:43 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 27, 2020, 12:33:18 PM

Meanwhile the ODI squad has been announced - and it would be hard for it to have been less adventurous!

I think the new World Cup Super League thing may have influenced things a bit.

Not that I agree with the squad.

petehosk · « **Reply #678 on:** July 27, 2020, 02:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 27, 2020, 07:48:41 AM

You can�t really play the forecast. They said Saturday was a total washout, then it wasn�t. Root would�ve looked a fool if he declared at 280-320 and then the weather clears up. Probably not gonna be an issue either way.

Agree here! We have been desperate for openers who build an innings ever since the Cook retirement! And Sibley ended on a strike rate of 42, which isn't that bad to be fair! And Burns was even higher, although he did start playing more freely once Root came in.
Sibley and Burns look like a decent pair of openers so far - they are not Ben Stokes or Joe Root so don't have the skillset to up the rate with crazy shots in the same way. Burns seems to be a little better at upping the SR but I wouldn't complain at either of them to be honest. They knew that today would be a wash out but Tuesday looked ok on Sunday. But needed a reasonable lead in case today was dryer than forecast! No good having a 250/300 lead if you think that Monday will be a washout, and then find that WI have 2 days to get the runs because the weather report was better than expected!!
Just keep fingers crossed that they can get 70-95 overs in tomorrow and esure that there is a result.

petehosk · « **Reply #679 on:** July 27, 2020, 02:42:27 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on July 27, 2020, 01:36:22 PM

No Hain, someone is having a laugh.

Would have been nice to see Hain! In fact, it would have been nice to have a few new guys in there - Phil Salt and Sam Hain would have been nice to see in action!!
Ireland are a half decent side. But better to try out Hain/Salt and similar young talents against Ireland than against stronger ODI teams?

Manormanic · « **Reply #680 on:** July 27, 2020, 04:09:14 PM »

Quote from: petehosk on July 27, 2020, 02:42:27 PM

Would have been nice to see Hain! In fact, it would have been nice to have a few new guys in there - Phil Salt and Sam Hain would have been nice to see in action!!
Ireland are a half decent side. But better to try out Hain/Salt and similar young talents against Ireland than against stronger ODI teams?

Quite - You've got six "regular choices" - Bairstow, Roy, Morgan, Ali, Rashid, Tom Curran to form the spine of the side. Banton and Mahmood are definite ones for the next few years and Willey was very close to the WC squad, and I guess bringing Topley in is positive. I just don't get the selections of Denly, Dawson, Vince and Billings - not saying they should never be considered again but all four have been given multiple chances and found just short of the required. Surely a selection of Livingstone, Salt, Hain and Gregory (if we assume sticking to the bubble group) would be more positive?

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #681 on:** July 27, 2020, 04:26:26 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 27, 2020, 04:09:14 PM

Quite - You've got six "regular choices" - Bairstow, Roy, Morgan, Ali, Rashid, Tom Curran to form the spine of the side. Banton and Mahmood are definite ones for the next few years and Willey was very close to the WC squad, and I guess bringing Topley in is positive. I just don't get the selections of Denly, Dawson, Vince and Billings - not saying they should never be considered again but all four have been given multiple chances and found just short of the required. Surely a selection of Livingstone, Salt, Hain and Gregory (if we assume sticking to the bubble group) would be more positive?

Not sure Billings has ever let England down when he has played agree about the others

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #682 on:** July 27, 2020, 04:58:01 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on July 27, 2020, 04:26:26 PM

Not sure Billings has ever let England down when he has played agree about the others

Take your Kent glasses off Chris!
Billings averages 22.58 in ODIs and 17.40 in T20Is

You could argue he doesn't know his role (is he a stroke maker or is he a go out and blitz it player) in the England side but you can't say he's never let England down. He's failed more than he's fired at international level.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #683 on:** July 27, 2020, 04:59:45 PM »

I think people will never be satisfied. If all the batsmen went for big hitting and england folded for say 100 odd, then WI would have been in the game and same people would be criticizing Eng for bad approach. Also the way the eng openers batted should not be seen only in context of current game but should be seen towards future as well. It is important to give them and team confidence going into future as well, getting 100 all out would create doubts in the team and shatter the confidence...Also, they were in day 3, cant play like it is day 5 trying to set target. As many pointed out, if no rain happened, then fast (and risky) batting would have even cost them the game.
Lastly, Butler's selfless duck in previous test wouldn't get him in next time as much as a decent average/score. His relationship with Ed/what video he has of Ed is a different matter though

petehosk · « **Reply #684 on:** July 27, 2020, 05:00:56 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on July 27, 2020, 04:26:26 PM

Not sure Billings has ever let England down when he has played agree about the others

Billings hasn't exactly let England down, but I do think that he hasn't shown the same quality at the higher level yet.
Out of Denly, Dawson, Vince and Billings, I think that Billings may be the more exiting player if he can genuinely step up. Although with Banton, Salt and Hain you would surely have enough potential "young blood" fire power.
It is rather nice to have the luxury of so many young potential players around!! In the "olden" days, the English teams mostly picked themselves and were pretty straight forward, with not too much discussion needed.
But to have so many players in the running and so many future hopefuls is kinda nice!

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #685 on:** July 27, 2020, 06:34:41 PM »

Hopefully we can get 30-40 overs in tomorrow. Should be more than enough

Manormanic · « **Reply #686 on:** July 27, 2020, 07:58:48 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 27, 2020, 04:58:01 PM

Take your Kent glasses off Chris!
Billings averages 22.58 in ODIs and 17.40 in T20Is

You could argue he doesn't know his role (is he a stroke maker or is he a go out and blitz it player) in the England side but you can't say he's never let England down. He's failed more than he's fired at international level.

Fair to say he probably hasn't had the clearest role, my thinking is mostly around the Borderline brainless dismissals as he has tried to go too hard.

ppccopener · « **Reply #687 on:** July 27, 2020, 08:14:51 PM »

We could field a decent B team at international level if you add in Hales.

Most of us who have watched England for so long know some of the fringe players now would of been certs 10 years ago-but the standard has risen so high Billings unless he is replacing Butler won't get in the A team-and he's not in Butlers class.

Same goes for a few others-whether Hales is a muppet(he is) is subjective but we are good enough to do without him.

I would of liked to see us plan a little for the next WC...Banton is an exciting player, can't really see why Vince and Willey are there, or Topley-he has had 10 clubs in 5 years and is injury prone.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #688 on:** July 27, 2020, 09:23:21 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 27, 2020, 08:14:51 PM

Most of us who have watched England for so long know some of the fringe players now would of been certs 10 years ago

You'll be saying Jamie Dalrymple wouldn't even get near a current England squad next... 🤣😂

potzy248 · « **Reply #689 on:** July 27, 2020, 09:45:11 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 27, 2020, 08:14:51 PM

We could field a decent B team at international level if you add in Hales.

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