Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123738 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #705 on:** July 29, 2020, 12:48:42 PM »

The Pakistan series is the same as this, three tests in 21 days, so there is sod all chance of us playing the same XI every week. We'll likely use 5 or 6 pacers over the three, even if Wor Sturkes is somehow fit to bowl three times

Jimbo · « **Reply #706 on:** July 29, 2020, 02:09:29 PM »

Foakes not included for Pakistan. Against better teams Buttler's keeping will let England down and a few runs at 7 doesn't change that.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #707 on:** July 29, 2020, 02:13:24 PM »

Foakes is one of the reserves so he�s still next in line.

Jimbo · « **Reply #708 on:** July 29, 2020, 03:35:48 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 29, 2020, 02:13:24 PM

Foakes is one of the reserves so he�s still next in line.

Buttler has had plenty chances to stake his claim. I don't see why Foakes can't be given the Pakistan series at least to stake his.

jp2408 · « **Reply #709 on:** July 29, 2020, 03:54:41 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on July 29, 2020, 03:35:48 PM

Buttler has had plenty chances to stake his claim. I don't see why Foakes can't be given the Pakistan series at least to stake his.

To be fair to Buttler he's just batted England out of a hole (122-4) in a series winning victory when they had a short batting lineup. Also made useful 30/40s in the first innings of the first two tests, and threw his wicket away for the team second innings in the second test (and arguably first innings batting with the tail).

Ok he averaged 30, but when you overlay the context he made good contributions to the winning of the series.

Jimbo · « **Reply #710 on:** July 29, 2020, 04:16:31 PM »

Not sure I believe that Foakes isn't capable of useful 30s and 40s and the occasional rescue act when batting with someone talented and in form (Pope). Add in Foakes superior ability with the gloves and it's a no brainer for me.

jp2408 · « **Reply #711 on:** July 29, 2020, 04:26:27 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on July 29, 2020, 04:16:31 PM

Not sure I believe that Foakes isn't capable of useful 30s and 40s and the occasional rescue act when batting with someone talented and in form (Pope). Add in Foakes superior ability with the gloves and it's a no brainer for me.

True but whilst he is performing to the standard required and we are winning, why change? I think it is undoubtedly the case that his batting has a higher ceiling than Foakes also - albeit he isn't accessing that at present (but is possibly moving in the right direction with some of his technical changes).

petehosk · « **Reply #712 on:** July 29, 2020, 04:46:55 PM »

The only thing Buttler has over Foakes is that he can up his strike rate better and play some amazing shots! But so can Root, Stokes and Pope!
I think Buttler should absolutely be playing in the T20 and most definitely the ODI England side. But I just think Foakes is the better option. A Test average of over 40 with the bat plus being the best keeper we have is surely a better option? Plus having Stokes, Foakes and Woakes would open the door for loads of decent crowd songs and chants! And that's a good thing

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #713 on:** July 29, 2020, 05:26:21 PM »

Foakes was hitting bombs into the stands vs Sri Lanka so he can definitely "up his strike rate" if the situation calls for it.

brokenbat · « **Reply #714 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:02:04 PM »

Hats off to WI and Pak for stepping up and giving us something to watch.

ppccopener · « **Reply #715 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:11:10 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on July 29, 2020, 06:02:04 PM

Hats off to WI and Pak for stepping up and giving us something to watch.

Absolutely WI took a pay cut to come here,stay in the bubble for ages with little freedom. In the end they just ran out of gas, I thought myself they would beat us or a drawn series.

We....as in England....as in the ECB....now owe the a West Indies the right to make some money. Because of our travelling fans the away tour is priceless to the Islands for revenue.

I hope we do the right thing and squeeze in something. Time for the ECB to lead the way forward

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #716 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:12:38 PM »

Unless Buttler gets like 10 ducks in a row I don�t see him being dropped. Ed Smith has already been forced to ditch Denly. Also ditching Buttler would pretty much mean he�s admitting he�s a poor chairman of selectors

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #717 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:14:47 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 29, 2020, 06:11:10 PM

Absolutely WI took a pay cut to come here,stay in the bubble for ages with little freedom. In the end they just ran out of gas, I thought myself they would beat us or a drawn series.

We....as in England....as in the ECB....now owe the a West Indies the right to make some money. Because of our travelling fans the away tour is priceless to the Islands for revenue.

I hope we do the right thing and squeeze in something. Time for the ECB to lead the way forward

The winter tours of Sri Lanka and India seem pretty unlikely given the rate that covid19 is spreading over there.

Once they abandon those tours, ECB can agree to go to the Caribbean instead

SD · « **Reply #718 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:36:25 PM »

If Foakes could average 40 with the bat over a period of time (Butler also averaged more than 60 in his first 3 tests) then it would be a huge advantage for England in an era lacking in top wicket keeper batsmen. I am not convinced that he could though.

Sri Lanka with its pitches lacking in pace bounce and lateral movement was an idea place for him to make his debut with a technique that sees him walk across his stumps and shovel to leg. He struggled afterwards in the Caribbean then had a rank 2019 in FC cricket. He looks to me to be a player who will struggle against international seam bowling.

We probably do need to be realistic as to what to expect from our keeper though in terms of run output. We have had 2 keepers in the history of test cricket who managed to average 40 over a long period. It can't really be the bench mark given it has seldom been achieved in almost 150 years of test cricket

ppccopener · « **Reply #719 on:** July 29, 2020, 06:46:53 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on July 29, 2020, 06:14:47 PM

The winter tours of Sri Lanka and India seem pretty unlikely given the rate that covid19 is spreading over there.

Once they abandon those tours, ECB can agree to go to the Caribbean instead

At present yes this scenario does look very possible.

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