Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123969 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #765 on:** August 05, 2020, 01:41:34 PM »

The sooner Buttler is carted out of this side for good the better.

rickjames · « **Reply #766 on:** August 05, 2020, 01:52:56 PM »

That was a miserable hour

KW9221 · « **Reply #767 on:** August 05, 2020, 03:19:59 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on August 05, 2020, 09:42:36 AM

Shadab Khan�s batting picked over Fawad Alam�s. Pakistanis have a meltdown on Twitter

The logic behind this decision is a mystery to me.

ppccopener · « **Reply #768 on:** August 05, 2020, 03:37:53 PM »

Quote from: rickjames on August 05, 2020, 01:41:34 PM

The sooner Buttler is carted out of this side for good the better.

The thing is...Butler is ok as a keeper batsman. If we have a specialist keeper then most of the chances will be taken and half chances turned into real ones-that's the difference

I want Foakes in too but I think the logical way to look at it is in England chances will come. 350 or 400 is a decent score.

Away in Australia or India drop someone like kholi or Pujara on 40 and they will get a big ton that changes the match.

Same as you I don't get quite why Foakes batting is not better though of-he has a very decent FC record.

I actually think Butler has been given this summer and will revert back to one dayers, and then Foakes will come in.

England have not picked the best keeper since Jack Russell and that is a long time ago-they should change but will they?
Who knows

jimmy23 · « **Reply #769 on:** August 05, 2020, 03:57:08 PM »

With regards to picking a specialist keeper over the years, they mentioned last year on sky that stats show that the WK �mistakes� have never added up to no where near the value of runs made (if they are making any of course)
On the flip side if Butler, for example, takes a screamer to get Kholi out on 40 could you say Foakes/JB might not have took that?

Jimbo · « **Reply #770 on:** August 05, 2020, 04:16:21 PM »

Difference at the elite level shouldn't just be thought of in terms of mistakes though. If we assume that 'mistakes' doesn't cover things like half chances or chances that would take an absolute worldie of a catch, then it doesn't account fully for what a truly world class keeper brings.

Also doesn't account for the pressure it puts on a batsman knowing that any slip up is more than likely to be punished.

jimmy23 · « **Reply #771 on:** August 05, 2020, 04:38:16 PM »

I would guess the stats cover all these or they wouldn�t be worth using and, if they did equate to more than runs made as a batsman, then teams would pick a specialist wk.

Kulli · « **Reply #772 on:** August 05, 2020, 04:38:45 PM »

This debate would be a lot more valid if Buttler was averaging 40+

Kulli · « **Reply #773 on:** August 05, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »

Quote from: jimmy23 on August 05, 2020, 04:38:16 PM

I would guess the stats cover all these or they wouldn�t be worth using and, if they did equate to more than runs made as a batsman, then teams would pick a specialist wk.

What�s the definition of a specialist WK be. WK/batsman.

Or rather how did they define it for this comparison?

rickjames · « **Reply #774 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:05:49 PM »

Another howler from Buttler. How many effing times

jimmy23 · « **Reply #775 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:07:13 PM »

I would guess they are comparing runs scored following missed chances v runs scored by the keeper over a range of matches over a period of time?

What is a specialist keeper anyway? Someone who is a good keeper but not as good at batting?
How much should they average?
I�m neither side of the argument to be fair

And Butler has just missed a stumping as I type this!

brokenbat · « **Reply #776 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:09:27 PM »

Big fan of Dom Bess bowling. Gets really good revs and momentum through the crease.

billyb · « **Reply #777 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:11:55 PM »

This is going to be a competitive series! Exciting stuff.

beaver5 · « **Reply #778 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:17:05 PM »

Of the current players only Joe Root has a better Test match average than Foakes. Better keeper and better average, but still can't get in the team.

billyb · « **Reply #779 on:** August 05, 2020, 05:24:09 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on August 05, 2020, 05:17:05 PM

Of the current players only Joe Root has a better Test match average than Foakes. Better keeper and better average, but still can't get in the team.

I love Foakes but that isn't the most reliable stat to go off given that he has played 5 tests. He averages 38 at First Class level, so I'd expect him to average above 30 in Test cricket but certainly not 40.

Buttler is making a good case for Foakes at the moment though.

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