Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123642 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #960 on:** August 08, 2020, 09:42:32 PM »

Butler's batting was heading for excellent until one of the the most brainless dismissals I've seen
His keeping was pretty awful. I'd have expected a good club keeper to take at least one of the Masood chances.

Loc1215 · « **Reply #961 on:** August 08, 2020, 09:56:18 PM »

In response to the above regarding Butler. I am by know means an expert but keep at a decent level and coach keeping a fair bit.

I don't think he should continue with the gloves. The side needs a proper glove man - sidenote I do see a reversal going forward where specialists come back to the fore as opposed to the obsession with all rounders.

Its not just the chances missed whilst keeping but technically he was poor. His alignment (basically head position) is in part to blame for his misses as well less than impressive footwork. Being hyper critical he also doesn't catch the ball in the 'correct' hand when standing up very often, left hand to a right hander and vice versa allowing knicks like the one off bess to nestle in the other glove with very little work. A lot the time catches up to the stumps are considered luck but I disagree the one off bess was regulation. Even when he took catches it was by no means pretty.

To be fair to Butler the game is considered 80% mental and to come out after a frankly awful keeping performance and bat like he did is remarkable. However as he said in his post match interview he only just made up for his mistakes.

brokenbat · « **Reply #962 on:** August 08, 2020, 10:38:30 PM »

Quote from: Loc1215 on August 08, 2020, 09:56:18 PM

In response to the above regarding Butler. I am by know means an expert but keep at a decent level and coach keeping a fair bit.

I don't think he should continue with the gloves. The side needs a proper glove man - sidenote I do see a reversal going forward where specialists come back to the fore as opposed to the obsession with all rounders.

Its not just the chances missed whilst keeping but technically he was poor. His alignment (basically head position) is in part to blame for his misses as well less than impressive footwork. Being hyper critical he also doesn't catch the ball in the 'correct' hand when standing up very often, left hand to a right hander and vice versa allowing knicks like the one off bess to nestle in the other glove with very little work. A lot the time catches up to the stumps are considered luck but I disagree the one off bess was regulation. Even when he took catches it was by no means pretty.

To be fair to Butler the game is considered 80% mental and to come out after a frankly awful keeping performance and bat like he did is remarkable. However as he said in his post match interview he only just made up for his mistakes.

What�s your take on Rizwans keeping ?

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #963 on:** August 08, 2020, 10:43:02 PM »

For me as a keeper it�s pretty embarrassing that not even our third best gloveman has the gloves.

Technically speaking, buttler doesn�t use his hips to allow access to the ball when it turns and bounces, that�s why he got pinned in the shoulder and missed the other chance.the drop off Yasir was more to do with his head being in the previous 2.

Keeping standing back is easy, keeping standing up to a spinner is hard, keeping standing up to a seamer is the hardest job in cricket bar none.

I feel for jos in some ways because he has been totally outclassed by Rizwan who just shows what a proper keeper can do.

However, his batting has, in some ways, made up for it.

I really Hope England look at him now as a batter and not a keeper

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #964 on:** August 08, 2020, 10:44:12 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on August 08, 2020, 10:38:30 PM

What�s your take on Rizwans keeping ?

Rizwan was exceptional, the main difference between Rizwan and buttler is the use of the hips, buttler doesn�t use his, Rizwan does, and Rizwan has much better access to the ball and kept much better

billyb · « **Reply #965 on:** August 08, 2020, 10:49:38 PM »

Well I didn't see that coming! Brilliant stuff.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #966 on:** August 08, 2020, 11:50:40 PM »

On a side note, what bat was Chris Woakes using

billyb · « **Reply #967 on:** August 09, 2020, 01:51:37 AM »

I spent this morning literally teasing a dealer about how he would get rid of his Woakes IPL Player Editions... Oops

I'm claiming that 84*!

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #968 on:** August 09, 2020, 02:00:44 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on August 08, 2020, 09:27:56 PM

Re:Butler...I wonder if we have any keepers on here that are either very good,or play at a decent level.

The reason I mention is to gauge how bad Butler was in the game, his batting was excellent, as was Woakes. To me they looked like 3 or 4 chances that were not that difficult.

I have kept a few times on Sunday's and a handful of league games, once in the Sussex league when the regular keeper turned up drunk. I conceded no byes and got a headline in the Littlehampton gazette 'stand in keeper plays a blinder'

Quite good that...but it was all right arm over and a spinner who landed it on a sixpence-nothing leg side.

In other words Nothing anyone else who has fielded in the slips could not do.

So I'm not qualified...someone on here will be thou I reckon.

I keep at a high standard (not trying to blow my own trumpet), but overall his keeping was quite poor, I think Foakes takes the half chances that we�re missed by jos, but he�s managed to get us over the line and he�s definitely secured his place for the rest of the series.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #969 on:** August 09, 2020, 02:09:20 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on August 08, 2020, 10:44:12 PM

Rizwan was exceptional, the main difference between Rizwan and buttler is the use of the hips, buttler doesn’t use his, Rizwan does, and Rizwan has much better access to the ball and kept much better

Totally agree!! having shared the same dressing room and after numerous one-to-one sessions with Phil mustard, his main focus was always on hips, that’s the difference between an exception performance from Rizwan and a below average performance from butler

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #970 on:** August 09, 2020, 06:54:04 AM »

What an enjoyable test match

Kudos to Buttler for being honest and not spouting PR clap trap.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #971 on:** August 09, 2020, 07:43:09 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 08, 2020, 09:42:32 PM

Butler's batting was heading for excellent until one of the the most brainless dismissals I've seen
His keeping was pretty awful. I'd have expected a good club keeper to take at least one of the Masood chances.

Bairstows Test career is over. Accept it and move on

rickjames · « **Reply #972 on:** August 09, 2020, 12:51:47 PM »

Stokes missing the rest of the series for personal reasons

ppccopener · « **Reply #973 on:** August 09, 2020, 01:21:24 PM »

I'm sure all fans wish him well. It's big boots to fill for the next test it's clear how difficult it is to just balance the team when he's a non bowler let alone as a batter too.

We well have to get a batsman in now you would think.

I wonder if England would consider now a specialist keeper and as @LEACHY48 mentioned Butler as a batter, with Crawley back

I know some on here think Archer is the real deal but he's out for me to make room.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #974 on:** August 09, 2020, 03:02:43 PM »

Wood for archer, Crawley for stokes root to 4

Woakes form improving helps massively

Won't want too many changes maybe Curran for Anderson maybe?

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