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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1005 on: August 11, 2020, 03:43:11 PM »

Lot of pressure on debut for Bracey that. Replace the established keeper and take on the nightmare position in the batting order.
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« Reply #1006 on: August 11, 2020, 09:15:56 PM »

Keepers can't bat in the top 3 successfully for a long enough period in test cricket.
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« Reply #1007 on: August 11, 2020, 10:32:32 PM »

I'm also not sure adding another keeper to the mix is what England need right now  ;)
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1008 on: August 12, 2020, 06:16:57 PM »

Keepers can't bat in the top 3 successfully for a long enough period in test cricket.

Kumar Sangakkarra.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1009 on: August 12, 2020, 06:27:24 PM »

Root has just said Jimmy is 'likely to play'
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1010 on: August 12, 2020, 06:27:55 PM »

Makes one appreciate Alec Stewart even more... one of my favourite batsmen growing up
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1011 on: August 12, 2020, 07:44:10 PM »

Stewart was excellent for us and made himself into a decent keeper after a couple of years doing it.

Root has backed Anderson and Archer you would think they want to look at Robinson maybe for the last test with Jimmy rested.
Whether Anderson tours if we go is another matter I suppose.

I hope England pick Curran instead of Archer, there may be some swing around for him and we seem to do well when he plays.
It does make our batting stronger too.

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1012 on: August 12, 2020, 08:01:08 PM »

Stewart was excellent for us and made himself into a decent keeper after a couple of years doing it.

Root has backed Anderson and Archer you would think they want to look at Robinson maybe for the last test with Jimmy rested.
Whether Anderson tours if we go is another matter I suppose.

I hope England pick Curran instead of Archer, there may be some swing around for him and we seem to do well when he plays.
It does make our batting stronger too.
BCCI has supposedly signed a multiple year agreement with the venues in the Middle East and they say we will play the 5 tests there instead
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1013 on: August 12, 2020, 08:03:42 PM »

Makes one appreciate Alec Stewart even more... one of my favourite batsmen growing up

Prior is the one for me who I look back on and appreciate how difficult it has been to find a replacement.  Stewart averaged 34 with the bat as a keeper which is good, but Prior along with Les Ames  are the only two who managed returns of over 40 whilst keeping wicket.

Perhaps relevant to the current debate is that both Stewart and Prior were both functional  keepers not outstanding  ones. 
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1014 on: August 12, 2020, 08:12:06 PM »

Kumar Sangakkarra.

I think Sangakara had given up keeping by the time he started batting at 3.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1015 on: August 12, 2020, 08:22:28 PM »

Prior is the one for me who I look back on and appreciate how difficult it has been to find a replacement.  Stewart averaged 34 with the bat as a keeper which is good, but Prior along with Les Ames  are the only two who managed returns of over 40 whilst keeping wicket.

Perhaps relevant to the current debate is that both Stewart and Prior were both functional  keepers not outstanding  ones. 

They were def  functional rather than natural. You can see how far back we have to go for England to play the best keeper if you exclude Foakes in SL or WI.

Prior was an excellent lower order bat, I don't think myself having seen both he was close to Stewart keeping wise, but better than Bairstow or Butler.

It's subjective I suppose but both made themselves into 'good' keepers. Prior has hampered for his last year with a nasty injury he never recovered from.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1016 on: August 12, 2020, 08:23:52 PM »

Kumar Sangakkarra.

The only one to score 2000 runs whilst batting in top 3 and keeping.  Only 3 others have managed 1000 runs and none of those averaged 40. 

Kumar averaged 68 batting in the top 3 when he didn't keep compared to 43 when he did.  If Bracey is anywhere close to being as good then he shouldn't be burdened with the gloves.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1017 on: August 13, 2020, 07:48:20 AM »

Well the forecast is appalling over the next five days...anyone in Southampton able to confirm?
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1018 on: August 13, 2020, 08:49:26 AM »

Not great but by no means appalling going by this, so fingers crossed! -

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcp185f25#?date=2020-08-13
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1019 on: August 13, 2020, 09:34:37 AM »

Stokes and Jofra out, Crawley and Curran in.
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