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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1050 on: August 21, 2020, 08:23:01 AM »

It should be : work towards being a Cummins like bowler.
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« Reply #1051 on: August 21, 2020, 08:58:36 AM »

Sounds like Jofra will come in today, Root said they all had a chat with Silverwood and his role has been made very clear to him. We'll see what happens.

Sounds encouraging but why has it taken a huge coaching team this long to tell Jofra what they want him to do?
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« Reply #1052 on: August 21, 2020, 09:57:48 AM »

How much coaching is done at top level is difficult to know, my guess is far more minimalist than we imagine it to be.

Root has made it clear from his own mouth what is needed from Archer now.

Personally I think Curran and Wood are mighty unlucky not to have played more in these matches even with a rotation of the bowlers.

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« Reply #1053 on: August 21, 2020, 10:18:21 AM »

Coaching in terms of technique being limited I can understand but at elite level they also have a role in creating strategies for players to execute. How has nobody sat down with Jofra, Root and the coached and hashed out a plan for how best to use him?
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1054 on: August 21, 2020, 10:28:31 AM »

Looks like England have broken another opener
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1055 on: August 21, 2020, 10:38:26 AM »

Coaching in terms of technique being limited I can understand but at elite level they also have a role in creating strategies for players to execute. How has nobody sat down with Jofra, Root and the coached and hashed out a plan for how best to use him?

Totally understand where you're coming from, perhaps you are right. My view and let's to honest this forum has plenty and varied views  :) is I'd be less inclined to say England has not been clear or that his role has not been explained.

Time will tell with Archer, my gut feeling is the higher you go up in levels the more important it is to have players who think for themselves.

But I don't know that as I'm at club level. The fact he deceided himself in the last test to cut his pace because the wicket was not a quick one perhaps proves your point a bit.

Clearly now he has been told to bowl quick in short spells.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1056 on: August 21, 2020, 10:44:29 AM »

Burns is planting his front foot and getting stuck. He needs to spend some time with his coach again.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1057 on: August 21, 2020, 11:23:44 AM »

Don’t want to give him the kiss of death but I think England have found their new number three, he just gets better with every game he plays!
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1058 on: August 21, 2020, 11:29:16 AM »

Sibley not a good player of spin.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1059 on: August 21, 2020, 12:10:15 PM »

Impressive from Crawley
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1060 on: August 21, 2020, 01:33:23 PM »

Not quite sure why Popey tried again to play Yasir off the back foot there
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1061 on: August 21, 2020, 02:12:59 PM »

Looks like England have broken another opener

I am not sure that giving a guy who has been successful at FC level an opportunity in test cricket where his technical issues have been exposed counts as breaking a player. 

Personally Burns looks to me to be a stop-gap whilst Crawley builds up experience. Burns has a technical fault that leaves him both vulnerable to being caught behind and being trapped lbw but he seems about the best option at the moment until Crawley steps up to open
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1062 on: August 21, 2020, 02:56:39 PM »

I am not sure that giving a guy who has been successful at FC level an opportunity in test cricket where his technical issues have been exposed counts as breaking a player. 

Personally Burns looks to me to be a stop-gap whilst Crawley builds up experience. Burns has a technical fault that leaves him both vulnerable to being caught behind and being trapped lbw but he seems about the best option at the moment until Crawley steps up to open

I'm referring to the number that were top championship scorers (Stoneman, etc) who were in great county form and then played for England and struggled. Stoneman for one hasn't been the same since
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1063 on: August 21, 2020, 03:42:36 PM »

Can't think of many harder batting jobs than facing a new ball in England. Stoneman,Lyth,Robson,Roy all good players but there's a big jump from County to Test cricket. That's probably why so many have been tried since Cook and Strauss and were found not quite good enough.

If you play enough tests the bowlers work you out and find weaknesses whether they be metal or technical. It's very tough to score consistently over a decent period of time.

Denly maybe the latest batter to be good but short of big scores in the top order.
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« Reply #1064 on: August 21, 2020, 03:45:51 PM »

I'm referring to the number that were top championship scorers (Stoneman, etc) who were in great county form and then played for England and struggled. Stoneman for one hasn't been the same since

The only player i can think of in recent times who was genuinely  broken by the experience of international cricket  is Simon Kerrigan.  Very happy to see that he has managed to make his way back into the first class game
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