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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #90 on: December 13, 2020, 06:44:24 PM »

IIRC he just stopped making bats too, no idea why.
He needed a break, his bats got very popular after winning the AOC blind bat test.
Then there were the occasional quality issue...
Also, Gunn and Moore still make bats?
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #91 on: December 13, 2020, 07:39:44 PM »

This is a good post which is obviously of interest to me! Maybe time to expand the lineup. On the sponsorship side of this conversation, as a retailer, although the costs were fairly low the returns were not great and for the time put in to the forum wasn't really worth it. The time taken to upload photos though the random methods that are required was a big put off.

I thought the forum would be right in the sweet spot of what I was trying to build however although part of the forum discussed UK and smaller independent brands there was much more of a concentration on OLS and what bargains could be found on Amazon/Sports direct which didnt really fit in with what I was doing, hence the reason for leaving as a sponsor.

Getting independent makers on here to post more will be a tough ask as its quite time consuming and they will be trying to create products and successful brands. Most independent makers are one man bands so dont have a great deal of time to focus on the marketing/social side of the job although they have started to do this much more in recent times.

There is also the issue that sometimes crops up on forums where you can be flavor of the month for a period of time and then regardless of what you do you drop off the face of the earth, this can be quite demoralizing and again potentially why some smaller independents dont frequent here.

Just a few comments on why there may not be as much interaction as some may want.

Its great that there are quite a few who have taken up bat making who are on the forum and fingers crossed they can find the time to keep posting and this will bring back some of the other sponsors/makers/forum members that may have become disillusioned previously.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #92 on: December 13, 2020, 07:47:09 PM »

Isn't it the centre of percussion?

Yes. Looked it up.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #93 on: December 13, 2020, 07:50:46 PM »

The amount of attention this forum gives Sports Direct has been shocking at times.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #94 on: December 13, 2020, 08:30:34 PM »

This is a good post which is obviously of interest to me! Maybe time to expand the lineup. On the sponsorship side of this conversation, as a retailer, although the costs were fairly low the returns were not great and for the time put in to the forum wasn't really worth it. The time taken to upload photos though the random methods that are required was a big put off.

I thought the forum would be right in the sweet spot of what I was trying to build however although part of the forum discussed UK and smaller independent brands there was much more of a concentration on OLS and what bargains could be found on Amazon/Sports direct which didnt really fit in with what I was doing, hence the reason for leaving as a sponsor.

Getting independent makers on here to post more will be a tough ask as its quite time consuming and they will be trying to create products and successful brands. Most independent makers are one man bands so dont have a great deal of time to focus on the marketing/social side of the job although they have started to do this much more in recent times.

There is also the issue that sometimes crops up on forums where you can be flavor of the month for a period of time and then regardless of what you do you drop off the face of the earth, this can be quite demoralizing and again potentially why some smaller independents dont frequent here.

Just a few comments on why there may not be as much interaction as some may want.

Its great that there are quite a few who have taken up bat making who are on the forum and fingers crossed they can find the time to keep posting and this will bring back some of the other sponsors/makers/forum members that may have become disillusioned previously.

Well said, nice to hear that perspective.

Im not a fan of the picture uploads either
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #95 on: December 14, 2020, 05:02:01 AM »

I feel Robert Pack is seriously underrated.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2020, 08:39:11 AM »

Has Charlie French been mentioned? Makes a serious bat too - used 2 during uni before Neon came around, both were absolute rockets!

As for the forum sponsorship thing, obviously I'm no batmaker and won't ever pretend to be - but I do echo a lot of the comments above. I think we sometimes need to remember that CBF is in reality a very small community of cricketers, especially compared to the behemoths of social media so expecting small companies to give constant input on here is pretty infeasible.

I reckon the forum would do better selling advertising space to brands and then letting all post freely personally, but obviously that's not my call (especially as most sponsors haven't paid in forever). I'd much rather pay a fee to have a banner advert on here than have to pay to be able to post promotional stuff, I can just do that on FB/Insta anyway.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #97 on: December 14, 2020, 09:58:44 AM »

When did Garrard and Flack become Garrard? What happened to Flack?
@Bats_Entertainment The Flack in Garrard and Flack has not been actively that involved in the business for quite some time. I don't think Liam (Flack) ever made a bat to be honest. From the start it has pretty much been Ed. No falling out at all.

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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2020, 02:26:40 PM »

B3 imo are great but their prices aren’t particularly competitive imo.

Pricing is a difficult thing, some customers say we provide great value for money given the choice, quality and after sales service. Others like yourslef point out we arent competitive with others.

Personally I agree we do charge more that some of the other other forum sponsors but also charge much less than the mass produced bats.

I guess you make your decisions on what suits you best. We could reduce prices but this would not allow us the time to provide the best before and aftersales service along with a massive choice and the technology to get what you ant made how you want it.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2020, 02:31:09 PM »

Pricing is a difficult thing, some customers say we provide great value for money given the choice, quality and after sales service. Others like yourslef point out we arent competitive with others.

Personally I agree we do charge more that some of the other other forum sponsors but also charge much less than the mass produced bats.

I guess you make your decisions on what suits you best. We could reduce prices but this would not allow us the time to provide the best before and aftersales service along with a massive choice and the technology to get what you ant made how you want it.

Totally agree is a give and take situation mate! I’ve had several bats from you guys and loved them. Also I agree that you charge much less than GM GN etc.

We are just spoilt for choice here with so many companies producing cracking sticks. As you said, with the market as it is currently, it’s all personal choice.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #100 on: December 14, 2020, 02:32:39 PM »

I'm guessing Phantom are made by B3 now. I won't add a question mark because I'm not expecting anyone to confirm.

Not at all! B3 Do not make bats under any other name

I'd like to know where you got that thought from??
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2020, 02:50:20 PM »

Pricing is a difficult thing, some customers say we provide great value for money given the choice, quality and after sales service. Others like yourslef point out we arent competitive with others.

Personally I agree we do charge more that some of the other other forum sponsors but also charge much less than the mass produced bats.

I guess you make your decisions on what suits you best. We could reduce prices but this would not allow us the time to provide the best before and aftersales service along with a massive choice and the technology to get what you ant made how you want it.

B3 offer something fairly unique as far as I'm aware, in terms of being able to offer a bat recreated to exact specs time and time again. No doubt other batmakers can copy a well-loved bat but I'm not aware of anyone using the technology B3 use to do it. As USPs go, if you can have your favourite bat recreated down to the mm, I can certainly see the attraction.

Whether that might justify a price premium is personal choice but I would certainly attest to the quality of customer service that B3 have provided me in the past.
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2020, 03:02:10 PM »

Best is hard. But Tim Keeley is the most influential batmaker in the World, interesting that a number of these other names banded about as best batmakers are shaping bats Tim presses.

Do take the time to visit the factory and see them at work before he retires.

Wrote this in a post a couple of years back:

"What makes a Tim Keeley bat special? Well, I'm a firm believer that there's not that much between top-level batmakers. They all use the same willow and handle - and the MCC have limited any real innovation so is the average Tim Keeley bat significantly better than anyone else's? Probably not. The bats Tim and Nick make are wonderfully consistent and well pressed, but they are not alone in this.

What does set the Tim (and his brother) apart though is their reputation. And that's a reputation he thoroughly, thoroughly deserves.

Tim has been making bats by CNC since the 90s, pretty much the same technology that GM launched 10 years later and now claim make them the World's most advanced batmakers. First short blade, long handle cricket bat? Tim Keeley, with the Newbery Uzi. It's taken over 10 years for other brands to cotton on with every brand now offering one in their range. First carbon handle cricket bat? Again. Tim Keeley. Adjustable counterbalanced handles? Yep, him too.

Tim is one of the last remaining batmakers of the John Newbery dynasty, one of perhaps a couple remaining now Millichamp has stopped making. Newbery has done more for cricket bat design than anyone in the past 100 years. The Scoop was his design, as was the Excalibur. These are 2 of the most iconic designs ever to have graced the field. Tim trained directly under his stewardship.

Keeley fully deserves his reputation and the plaudits, and the industry widely recognises this too. When a young batmaker needs help starting out, who is the first to lend a hand? Who do the Indian batmakers visit for advice on shaping and finishing? He's the most humble, helpful, artisan you could hope to meet.

It's possible to visit the Keeley factory and see them in action and I can't recommend it enough."
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2020, 04:40:47 PM »

Who of those mentioned among 'the best' shapes Keeley presses?
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Re: The Best Batmaker in the UK
« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2020, 05:42:48 PM »

I've heard BT Blades does.
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