Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 195443 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #390 on:** February 11, 2021, 08:23:41 PM »

Unfortunately Facebook/BBC website comments you can put all sorts of rubbish on and I'm convinced half of them simply to do it wind up other people with no respect for other people's views.

Thankfully the incidents of that on this website are few and far between, we have had some wind up merchants in the past.

Archer might be an easy target for some whereas a home grown English player would not get the same comments, we have seen that over the years unfortunately.

I don't personally like Archer much and I don't think he will be playing test cricket in 2 years time but lots on here think the opposite and healthy discussion/disagreement is good.

Archer has natural pace and skill and he doesn't appear on the surface to be busting a gut-that doesn't mean he isn't it's just the way it appears.

For those of us that watched Gower bat it's much the same thing, it came easy and then he would nick off to the slips on 20, he's didn't 'do' nets and looked bored some of the time.

Archer and the rest of the England players Re far fitter than the old players and you don't get in the test side without putting the work in.

19reading87 · « **Reply #391 on:** February 11, 2021, 08:28:19 PM »

Broad, Foakes and Stone will be in the 11

SD · « **Reply #392 on:** February 11, 2021, 08:31:14 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 11, 2021, 06:48:31 PM

I think im right in saying Archer has had an elbow problem previously, which is a worry. Lets hope this is something minor

I'd go like for like and bring in Stone and Broad for Archer and Anderson. In a 17 Test year I dont want the two veterans playing back to back Tests on these hard dustbowls. Although Woakes would strengthen the tail and we have a 1-0 lead I wouldn't pick him without 2 top class spinners to rely on.

Im still in two minds about Bess, he does bowl some absolute filth that shouldn't be anywhere near Test level. But hes picking up wickets. And it doesn't seem to bother him too much. I thought his head might drop but he actually seems to front up and never afraid to be thrown the ball. Its handy having Root to bowl some tidy overs if Bess struggles.

He had a stress fracture last season. ECB press release said this injury isn't related.

Big decision to make. Stone is the natural replacement but, without knowing what the pitch is like, there may be a reluctance to play Stone and Bess as two of the four front line bowlers. Losing the toss and bowling first on a pitch like the first test would be a real test.

Interesting to see if the pitch is any different this time around

six and out · « **Reply #393 on:** February 12, 2021, 06:56:37 AM »

England name 12-man squad for the second #INDvENG Test: Root (c), Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Stokes, Pope, Foakes, Moeen, Leach, Woakes, Stone, Broad

James Anderson, Jos Buttler, Dom Bess and Jofra Archer are out.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #394 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:20:26 AM »

Ali for Bess?? No thanks...

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #395 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:23:44 AM »

Although I wonder if they've gone with Ali over Bess as they intend to play Stone and want the experience of mo

I totally disagree with that.. they've dropped a spinner who's taking wickets and picked someone with an awful record over the last 2/3 years and who was dropped for being (No Swearing Please), and hasn't proven himself...

19reading87 · « **Reply #396 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:40:00 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on February 12, 2021, 07:23:44 AM

Although I wonder if they've gone with Ali over Bess as they intend to play Stone and want the experience of mo

I totally disagree with that.. they've dropped a spinner who's taking wickets and picked someone with an awful record over the last 2/3 years and who was dropped for being (No Swearing Please), and hasn't proven himself...

Sibley
Burns
Ali
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Stone

alba caerulea · « **Reply #397 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:48:35 AM »

Quote from: 19reading87 on February 12, 2021, 07:40:00 AM

Sibley
Burns
Ali
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Stone

4 seamers is overkill surely. Especially considering how impotent Woakes has looked without the Dukes in the past.

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on February 12, 2021, 07:20:26 AM

Ali for Bess?? No thanks...

18 full tosses. You'd be lucky to stay in the team I play for if you bowled that many!

Unfortunately we haven't got great spinners to choose from. Theres lots to like about Bess but hes far from the finished article

One thing none of us know if how they are bowling in training. They must feel that Mo is looking half decent

edge · « **Reply #398 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:58:06 AM »

Have to say I was surprised how much chat there was in the press about Bess getting the yips on the final day and looking like he needed a break, I didn't see much of his bowling that day but seemed hard to believe after the first innings. Big shame but clearly was some truth in it! If they feel he's bowling well then Moeen's not a bad selection to back up Leach in the subcontinent. Archer a big miss for me, his opening spell in the first innings was a big moment in the game. Excited to see how Stone goes if he gets the nod over Woakes though.

Jimbo · « **Reply #399 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:01:59 AM »

Quote from: 19reading87 on February 12, 2021, 07:40:00 AM

Sibley
Burns
Ali
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Stone

6 bowling options seem overkill, especially if you're making the extremely bold call of thinking that Moeen can do a job at 3 against Bumrah and Ishant.

19reading87 · « **Reply #400 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:08:54 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 12, 2021, 08:01:59 AM

6 bowling options seem overkill, especially if you're making the extremely bold call of thinking that Moeen can do a job at 3 against Bumrah and Ishant.

He can�t do any worse than Lawrence at 3... 😂

England need to take 20 wickets again. Stone has the inexperience so will they play both Ali and Woakes to cover this....?

rickjames · « **Reply #401 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:16:20 AM »

Glad that the selectors and skipper have made the changes with so much cricket. Ceiling will always be high with Moeen, you just don't know what you're going to get. Hope we see Stone over Woakes as well.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #402 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:20:28 AM »

Quote from: 19reading87 on February 12, 2021, 08:08:54 AM

He can�t do any worse than Lawrence at 3... 😂

England need to take 20 wickets again. Stone has the inexperience so will they play both Ali and Woakes to cover this....?

Nope, still overkill. You cant put Woakes in to bowl overs if someone else messes up. Thats why you have two spinners plus Root. Plus his record suggests he is less than reliable himself

six and out · « **Reply #403 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:22:05 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on February 12, 2021, 07:20:26 AM

Ali for Bess?? No thanks...

Clearly they are worried about losing the toss on a flat one and Bess not giving Root any control whatsoever. The Indians definitely adjusted to playing him in the 2nd innings and Kohli played it very easily on a 5th day wicket.
At some point Bess's luck will run out and he will go 0 for lots.

This is by no means me saying Mo will do any better though.

I think they will go Broad for Anderson, Stone for Archer, Mo for Bess.

As raw as Stone is you need someone with that extra pace and bit of difference.

edge · « **Reply #404 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:41:45 AM »

Judging by the photos of the pitch that got published yesterday I don't think there's any danger of it being a flat one! Predictable after India losing the first really. Vital toss.

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