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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #645 on: February 14, 2021, 12:33:26 PM »

My thoughts on the test so far -

Kohli got the pitch he wanted. Took the toss out of the equation, backed his spinners to out bowl ours and his batters to do the same on a turning track. And he has been proved correct.

I don't think I can say for certain we would have won (or even drawn) this test if we'd had won the toss. We simply don't play the turning ball well enough (Root apart) or have enough control with the ball.

I think Broad has had a shocker all test. I am not necessarily talking his batting though. He was absolutely inoculous with the ball, and out bowled by a lad in his 2nd test.

We have a major off spinner issue, you simply can't go at 4.5 an over on a rank turner, even if you take 4 wickets.

We need to at the very least show some fight and find some methods of playing the major turn because pitches will be like this going forwards.

For the 3rd test, is Bairstow available? If so surely he comes in for Lawrence, and Jimmy for Broad.

Finally I hope something is said (although it won't) about the umpiring and 3rd umpiring in this test because its been shocking.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #646 on: February 14, 2021, 01:28:44 PM »

Agree that India backed themselves to outdo England on both bowling and batting front on a pitch like this even if they'd lost the toss. 1st test was more a lottery of who won the toss as was too docile on the first couple of days. Expect Ahmedabad will play similar.

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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #647 on: February 14, 2021, 02:11:41 PM »

I think Atherton's point has been valid; not been easy to bat on right from the start, and I don't think it's deteriorating as bad as some suggest it has. Just not good enough.

As for umpires Jason Holder made a point that there's no reason why neutral umpires on the elite ICC panel can't be brought back in, particularly if countries have large travelling parties of players/staff; no reason why they can't too providing there's no border/travel issues
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #648 on: February 14, 2021, 02:13:16 PM »

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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #649 on: February 14, 2021, 03:22:09 PM »

There are obviously bigger issues, and I rarely do "why oh why" on selection imatters,  but I believe Pope should have batted at no.3.

Why oh why do we play so much championship cricket in April and September?  (The answer is, of course, because T20 is where the money is.)
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #650 on: February 14, 2021, 03:53:06 PM »

On a positive note, Foakes has been brilliant
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #651 on: February 14, 2021, 04:05:41 PM »

On a positive note, Foakes has been brilliant

Apart from the missed stumping?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #652 on: February 14, 2021, 04:13:21 PM »

Apart from the missed stumping?

If he'd taken it, it would have been an absolute ripper so I'm not holding that against him too much. Also he kept for a day and a bit, batted longer than anyone in England's innings and then kept again. Bit of mental and physical fatigue is understandable.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #653 on: February 14, 2021, 04:13:54 PM »

A missed stumping that hardly any keeper would have taken. Yes.

And definitely looked our most composed and assured batsman.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #654 on: February 14, 2021, 04:23:20 PM »

I can remember JB getting given a very hard time for missing something similar. But don't get me wrong; I like Ben Foakes.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #655 on: February 14, 2021, 04:26:14 PM »

If Buttler or Bairstow had missed that stumping there would have been plenty piping up that Foakes would have taken it.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #656 on: February 14, 2021, 04:26:46 PM »

I can remember JB getting given a very hard time for missing something similar. But don't get me wrong; I like Ben Foakes.

Did Bairstow get bowled through the gate for 2 and drop other catches and miss other stumpings too?

As a keeper myself, that is one of, if not the hardest stumping effort. Batsman is blinding you, you’re unsighted right until the last minute and then add in a huge amount of turn and the ball keeping low as well, and you’ve got a half chance at best.

As Jimbo said, I think you can forgive foakes after keeping all day in the first innings and not giving any extras at all, and then batting for ages and getting a red inker before having to keep again with no break in horrible conditions.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #657 on: February 14, 2021, 04:28:20 PM »

I just said I liked Ben Foakes. I am a Surrey member.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #658 on: February 14, 2021, 04:28:47 PM »

If Buttler or Bairstow had missed that stumping there would have been plenty piping up that Foakes would have taken it.

Because they miss other chances, let through more extras etc etc.

Foakes, other than that one chance, has been absolutely faultless. No extras at all in the first innings plus a stumping and a incorrectly turned down second. Batted longest and best out of all of our batsmen, and then had to keep again without a break.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #659 on: February 14, 2021, 04:29:38 PM »

If Buttler or Bairstow had missed that stumping there would have been plenty piping up that Foakes would have taken it.

For sure.
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